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Ljube is offline Ljube
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Do you agree Jamski that there is a big difference between "I use the same OoB as X" and "I place my fleet under the command of X". I never use the former, but sometimes must resort to the latter.

Vlad Antlerkov is offline Vlad Antlerkov
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Orders in.

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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quote:
Originally posted by joncha
Why not use the last turn's OoB as a default?


Why do you want the terrorists to win?

quote:
Do you agree Jamski that there is a big difference between "I use the same OoB as X" and "I place my fleet under the command of X". I never use the former, but sometimes must resort to the latter.


No, there is no difference. The result is the same - you are relying on someone else to supply the OoB. What if one player gets spyed? What if one backstabs? What if one player simply sends no orders? I need those OoBs. End of discussion.

-Jam

Ljube is offline Ljube
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When the situation was reversed I granted your request to place your fleet under Skanky's command and now you won't do the same for me.

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Ljube, how could you forget that Jamski is EVIL?

Vlad Antlerkov is offline Vlad Antlerkov
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Ljube, how could you forget that Jamski is EVIL?


Yes, Jamski is teh EVIL. And not just in the cartoonish, Saturday-morning-idiot-cartoon-villain, hay-guyz-I-kick-puppies-and- throw-old-ladies-off-buildings way.

Jonny is offline Jonny
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sent

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My orders be teh inne.

Atragon is offline Atragon
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Just to chime in on this discussion but I would submit that there is a huge difference between 'use (ally)'s OOB' and 'place my fleet under the control of (ally)' since the first one imposes NO RISK on you, the second one means you had damned well better trust your ally since he could (theoretically) command your fleet to attack yourself.

Big difference IMHO.

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Sent.

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Just to chime in on this discussion but I would submit that there is a huge difference between 'use (ally)'s OOB' and 'place my fleet under the control of (ally)' since the first one imposes NO RISK on you, the second one means you had damned well better trust your ally since he could (theoretically) command your fleet to attack yourself.

Big difference IMHO.



My thinking also.

EDIT: When I was the GM I didn't allow "use my ally's OoB". Instead a slightly modified form was acceptable "my ally will provide my OoB".

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I don't think there's enough of a difference between the two. I wouldn't allow either as a GM either, excepting perhaps a rare instance where one player was going to be out of town for a week or something.

Orders sent.

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I submit that there is a huge difference, 'use ally's OOB' still retains fleet to your orders, be they attack X, defend self, whatever... WITH THE SAME OOB AS YOUR ALLY. AUTOMATICALLY.

'ally controls fleet' on the other hand means instead of an ally attack on X for example, your (hypothetical ally) could instead redirect the fleet to attack Y or Z, decide to use a suicidal OOB for it and attack seperately, etc.

Huge difference there.

Ljube is offline Ljube
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Indeed. It happened in GO 6 when I was the GM. A three member alliance crumbled and the betrayed members were nearly destroyed by a suicidal OoB sent by their "ally".

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I don't see enough of a difference - because both ways you are submitting that someone else send in your OOB. Yes, they could do worse - but they could do worse either way. I simply don't support the sending of an OOB for one person by another, ever, excepting rare circumstances like I said above.

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In the example Ljube refers to above (GO 6), we changed to the "Use *****'s OoB" (though in this case maybe I should say %$#@& ) rather then trying to send in our own OoB as we couldn't seem to get the same OoB in. It was incredibly frustrating to keep sending in orders for an allied attack only to have it fail because the OoB's didn't match exactly (iirc our "allied attack failed twice in the early game). Even more frustrating was not being sure if someone was doing it deliberately or whether it was a typo.

* Sparrowhawk

Spaced Cowboy is offline Spaced Cowboy
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Nov 2001
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It sure did leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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Updates be Yarrr and woo!

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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Teh daedeline be passed.

Vlad Antlerkov is offline Vlad Antlerkov
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Eh. Jamski as the GM is the only person who gets to decide what is yarrr and woo and what isn't. He could conceivably make not-updating yarrr and woo. Or Disengage.

Ljube is offline Ljube
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Orders sent.

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GMs who can't keep their own deadlines ...

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Eventis beyond mortal ken. Update after breakfast. Lump it.

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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It's 3 AM for you. Surely you're eating breakfast now?

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Lets hope the Neverwinter Nights binge doesn't start up again.

Jamski is offline Jamski
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Updating now, look for the new thread.

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