22-05-2005 07:46									#31
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In our four days there, I have no experience with the Boston mass transit system.

However, driving there is a blast. Highly recommended.

Sadly, I'll likely never get to test my chops against some of the worlds worst driving cities - Rome, Athens, Cairo. Sometimes life just isn't fair.

	22-05-2005 07:49									#32
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quote: Its cheap, efficient and easy to use.

Have you ever seen a subway that wasn't easy to use???

	22-05-2005 07:54									#33
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quote: Which line did you ride? The Green line has smallish cars (they're the oldest ones), but all the rest are almost identical to the TTC ones.

They are not. I went on both the Green and Blue lines and the cars were worse than TTC streetcars for ****'s sake.

Downtown Boston is a dump. The Museum is good though.

	22-05-2005 08:37									#34
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Don't go there.

Yeah, it's not my first choice (it wasn't beforehand, and the visit reinforced that perception). Their attitude is "we're to good for you; you should be crawling on your knees thanking us for letting you go here if you get it".

	22-05-2005 09:39									#35
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Go to some place cool like UC Berkeley.

	22-05-2005 10:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Have you ever seen a subway that wasn't easy to use???

No, but that wasn't the question.

quote: Downtown Boston is a dump

You must be on crack. Its a beautiful downtown, it has lots of character. Although with the Big Dig going on all the construction really detracts from it. You need to see it once its done to do a justice.

	22-05-2005 10:21									#37
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Its done now - for the most part - they are just fixing some of the crap work

	22-05-2005 10:33									#38
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	22-05-2005 10:41									#39
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Its done now - for the most part - they are just fixing some of the crap work

There's still alot of junk lying around though.

	22-05-2005 11:37									#40
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Go to some place cool like UC Berkeley.

	22-05-2005 11:44									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Boston's T system does have some serious defects, notably the "Silver Line" aka "Silver Lie", a fancy bus that the transit people try to pass off as being just as good as a train. It comes complete with underground stations! Looks like a nice subway station... ...but WTF?

You're pointing to the ****ing SILVER LINE as an indication to Boston's T?

First, the Underground System that was built just finished a few months ago. There are no riders because development in South Boston (where the Silver Line tunnels are) is stalled. Once development continues, there will be thousands of riders a day.

Second, I will be the first to say the T sucks. Jimmy, sorry, but it does. I hate having to take the Green B line to and from school 4 times a day, because it is slow and overcrowded. There are a great deal of changes that are necessary.

But a transit system does not a city make. There are a great deal of things to do once you exit the subway doors.

	22-05-2005 11:46									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Downtown Boston is a dump.

You're smoking something terrible

	22-05-2005 11:50									#43
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Really, I had to walk for hours to find a phucking Post Office and the one I found resembled something from North Korea.

	22-05-2005 11:50									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Boston's T system does have some serious defects, notably the "Silver Line" aka "Silver Lie", a fancy bus that the transit people try to pass off as being just as good as a train. It comes complete with underground stations! Looks like a nice subway station... ...but WTF?

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!

What a load of horseshit.

	22-05-2005 11:52									#45
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...come again?

	22-05-2005 12:32									#46
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Where was your hotel? And we go to bars (underagers have fakes) But yes, Boston does close early - but not until 2. Blame it on lingering puritanical effects.

If a city doesn't have good restaurants open until 4am then it isn't worth living in. Bonus points are awarded if said restaurants are willing to break state liquor laws for regulars and keep serving until the last bar fly leaves.

	22-05-2005 20:18									#47
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quote: Second, I will be the first to say the T sucks. Jimmy, sorry, but it does. I hate having to take the Green B line to and from school 4 times a day, because it is slow and overcrowded. There are a great deal of changes that are necessary.

Blasphemy.

The Green line does suck. It sucks because its almost exclusively used by out-of-towners to get to and from their over-priced college. Other than that its fine.

Now the red line is classy. I used to take the Mattapan Trolley to Ashmont station everyday and it came every five minutes and was free.



hell yeah

	22-05-2005 20:21									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Really, I had to walk for hours to find a phucking Post Office and the one I found resembled something from North Korea.

What a savage indictment of a whole city.


Yes, I found the Vatican crap, because there wasn't a McDonalds in the Sistine Chapel !

	22-05-2005 20:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Blasphemy. The Green line does suck. It sucks because its almost exclusively used by out-of-towners to get to and from their over-priced college. Other than that its fine. Now the red line is classy. I used to take the Mattapan Trolley to Ashmont station everyday and it came every five minutes and was free. hell yeah

ugh, what a waste of track. longer trains, and no trams.

	22-05-2005 20:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Az longer trains, and no trams.

Trams are civilized, you heathen. There's a very good dining tram in Melbourne, Az, if ever you're tempted to pop Down Under and want to educate Melbourne's lovely Jewish girls in the joys of Az.

	22-05-2005 20:31									#51
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Go to some place cool like UC Berkeley.

I want to go to CMU.

	22-05-2005 20:53									#52
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is "civilized" a euphemism for slow? Trams are only allowed if it's a town in germany with less than a million in metro area. Otherwise, get a ****ing rapid rail line.


btw, My first vacation out of eurasia is Ausland.

	22-05-2005 20:59									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Az ugh, what a waste of track. longer trains, and no trams.

Those are just a connector service to the actual subway trains. They're vintage 1930s trams. They're also free, so how can you beat that?

quote: OMFG!!!!!!!!!! What a load of horseshit.

As far as the "Silver" bus line, a system of dedicated bus lanes are an awesome idea.

Ottawa, Ontario (where I live now) has had such a system for years and it works excellently.

quote: The Transitway The Transitway is a unique dedicated bus route that has its own bus lanes running in a fixed dedicated guideway which serves numerous communities and downtown Ottawa. The Transitway is served by two trunk Transitway lines, the #95 and #97, and are also intersected and used by local, express, and feeder routes that travel to and/or through the busway. Routes 95 and 97 are proof-of-payment routes, in which fares can be paid on the bus, and proof of payment via a transfer, receipt, or passes, are required to board. They serve areas such as Kanata, Lincoln Fields, Orleans, Greenboro, and St. Laurent.

And all those stops are serviced by normal street buses. It works. The fact that Boston is utilizing this to compliment its many other diverse forms of transit, I think, makes it one of the more dynamic cities for public transport in the world.

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quote: Originally posted by Az is "civilized" a euphemism for slow? Trams are only allowed if it's a town in germany with less than a million in metro area. Otherwise, get a ****ing rapid rail line. btw, My first vacation out of eurasia is Ausland.

Like I said, its just a connector service to the main high speed rail line. No one wants a ****ing speed liner going through an old, quiet town village.

	22-05-2005 21:29									#55
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We have got some classy trams:

	22-05-2005 21:49									#56
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quote: Those are just a connector service to the actual subway trains. They're vintage 1930s trams. They're also free, so how can you beat that?

Point taken.

quote: As far as the "Silver" bus line, a system of dedicated bus lanes are an awesome idea. Ottawa, Ontario (where I live now) has had such a system for years and it works excellently.

Dedicated bus lines are dandy, but not wasting tons of cash on immense underground stations for them. just run the light rail thru, and get it over with.

	22-05-2005 23:35									#57
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For most mass transit, frequency of service is more important than speed of vehicle, so smaller trams that runmore frequently are better than fast trains that run slower and have stops further apart.

	22-05-2005 23:43									#58
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It gets cold in the winter and is frequently overcast. Other than that, not much.

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Reminds me of when PH and I were looking for somewhere to get some food late on a Friday night. Not a single place could be found in all of south east London. I cried, he cried, the baby cried...

	22-05-2005 23:56									#60
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NYC mass transit pwns Boston et al.