22-05-2005 13:45									#1
	Potential problem in religion-based diplomacy ? Suffering from ads?

From what I have been able to gather , an AI can ask you to convert as part of a deal .

Now , this means that you , too , should be able to ask for conversion in return for something else . This means that someone cas ask someone else to convert as part of a peace negotiation ( "Convert to Buddhism or else !" ) .

Now imagine that I make a scenario ( like the Crusades ) where the objective is to either convert or annex the other side ( this is possible due to the new customisability , at lease so I hope ) . Some people may deem this very offensive ( some of the thinner-skinned , PC obsessive people around the world ) . How does Firaxis plan to resolve this ?

Last edited by aneeshm on 22-05-2005 at 20:49

	22-05-2005 15:49									#2
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I think the "PC obsessive" people will always find something offensive, regardless whether there are religion-based wars or not. Plus, I suppose the way they will resolve this is they won't provide any scenarios where the objective is to convert everybody to your religion, and if a fan makes such a scenario, then you can't technically blame Firaxis, can you?

	22-05-2005 17:15									#3
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So far, I can only see being politically correct hurting games. So if something in the game is un-PC, it will likely enhance gameplay options. A conversion agreement is a good thing for the gameplay, which is what matters.

	22-05-2005 18:16									#4
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The thin-skinned types can go and play Lemmings or something.

	22-05-2005 20:48									#5
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Let me make it clear that I want this option to be icnluded , and would have no problem if such a scenario was made ( in fact , I even would like to have terrorism/espionage options ) .

But imagine if some guy ( say the Secretary of State of the USA) went and played the game online , and he played with a guy from the Middle East ( say , another important person ) . and in the course of the game , he asked the player from the ME to convert to his religion , and some admin at the server that runs the online gaming service found this out and leaked it . We'd have an international incident , all thanks to cIV .

	22-05-2005 20:52									#6
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm We'd have an international incident , all thanks to cIV.

So we would, I imagine.

	22-05-2005 21:45									#7
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What is PC?

	22-05-2005 21:47									#8
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Political Correctness (aka Political Crapspeak).

	23-05-2005 02:29									#9
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Not to be confused with Personal Computer.

	23-05-2005 06:36									#10
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling The thin-skinned types can go and play Lemmings or something.

A shameful display of murdering poor, little lemmings.

	23-05-2005 14:53									#11
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Today the lemmings, tomorrow the thin-skinners!

	23-05-2005 17:13									#12
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Convert to the almighty god or be destroyed!

I like that Gathering converts at swordpoint is an age old tradition in most religions.

	23-05-2005 17:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Let me make it clear that I want this option to be icnluded , and would have no problem if such a scenario was made ( in fact , I even would like to have terrorism/espionage options ) . But imagine if some guy ( say the Secretary of State of the USA) went and played the game online , and he played with a guy from the Middle East ( say , another important person ) . and in the course of the game , he asked the player from the ME to convert to his religion , and some admin at the server that runs the online gaming service found this out and leaked it . We'd have an international incident , all thanks to cIV .

I think Condoleeza has better things to do than play online-Civ. After all she´s playing the real thing 24/7...

	23-05-2005 17:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg Convert to the almighty god or be destroyed! I like that Gathering converts at swordpoint is an age old tradition in most religions.

Resistance against such madness is fun also.

I look forward to playing a heretical, nuke-armed civ!

	23-05-2005 17:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg I think Condoleeza has better things to do than play online-Civ. After all she´s playing the real thing 24/7...

hehe

	23-05-2005 19:04									#16
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quote: The thin-skinned types can go and play Lemmings or something.

Poor Lemmings..

	23-05-2005 19:30									#17
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Let's call PETL !

	23-05-2005 23:25									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg I think Condoleeza has better things to do than play online-Civ. After all she´s playing the real thing 24/7...

Nah, she's following her favorite NFL team more than anything else. The trips around the world are just a cover.

	23-05-2005 23:52									#19
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm From what I have been able to gather , an AI can ask you to convert as part of a deal . Now , this means that you , too , should be able to ask for conversion in return for something else . This means that someone cas ask someone else to convert as part of a peace negotiation ( "Convert to Buddhism or else !" ) . Now imagine that I make a scenario ( like the Crusades ) where the objective is to either convert or annex the other side ( this is possible due to the new customisability , at lease so I hope ) . Some people may deem this very offensive ( some of the thinner-skinned , PC obsessive people around the world ) . How does Firaxis plan to resolve this ?

What you are describing here, seems me like a very fun and historical way to play. Wars like that played a huge role in the middle ages and beyond.

I'm completely against stuff like that in real live but this is a GAME, a game where I shall sometimes play as a religious zealot, a nuclear madman, an enlightened civilization,... because it is fun to do stuff like that in a game.