23-05-2005 00:08									#1
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Last night, I saw this incredibly powerful, profound, and moving play titled Altar Call in which one of my good older friends starred in with a minor role.

Altar Call is centered on a religious family (Baptist to be exact) and in this family, a mother of a gay son is torn between her son's needs and the demands of her father, who is a Baptist preacher.

The play portrayed the humaness of both sides of the family conflict very well -- it went beyond sound-bites and reached into the profoundness of questioning presumptions, values, and ideas that you always took for granted. But anyway, to the topic as indicated in the thread's title . . . . . .


During the 15 minute intermission, I went to get a snack and a beverage and then I picked up a large phamplet produced by the The Liberty Education Forum, informing readers of what this organization is all about.

I read it, and I became interested in it -- it really appealed to me. They are on a mission to reach out to moderate conservatives by attempting to appeal to the basic principle of fairness and liberty -- something that one ought to approve of, regardless if you're liberal or conservative.

Well today, I went online to their official website. And after reading about how the Liberty Education Forum claims to be a non-partisan organization in its efforts to educate people about issues concerning gays and lesbians, and distributing information for others on how to advance the cause for liberty, I found out who the president of this organization is . . . . .


Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Now, hear me out. I have not decided to automatically disavow everything about the organization of which I initially found appealing. Even after I found out about the organization's president, I swallowed my doubt, and signed up to receive monthly, informative updates through e-mail about the organization's activities.

I intend to learn more about this organization before I become a more active member. I want to make sure this organization is non-partisan -- although, I would like to ask how they claim to be non-partisan when their president is an executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans. Perhaps that is a question I can e-mail them about.


Are there any Apolytoners who is familiar with this organization? Or anyone who is already a member? And for those who are interested in learning more, here is their website:

Liberty Education Forum

	23-05-2005 00:09									#2
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	23-05-2005 00:11									#3
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You lazy piece of sh!t.

	23-05-2005 00:22									#4
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What are log cabin republicans?

	23-05-2005 00:29									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison What are log cabin republicans?

I can give you an e-mail address to one of my two gay Republican friends, and I'm sure they would be happy to tell you all about them.


Ok, seriously, here is a link to the Log Cabin Republicans:

Log Cabin Republicans


It's a political organization that sometimes stirs up controversy and debate within the gay community -- between those who support the organization and claim that the LRC members represent a more reasonable approach in gaining equality, and those who claim that LRC members are merely bowing to the Republican Party in favor of blind, unquestioning party faith.

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only the libertarians support gay marriage unequivocaly. no other major party in the US does so.

	23-05-2005 02:45									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia only the libertarians support gay marriage unequivocaly. no other major party in the US does so.

I think you mean no major party in the US does so

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison What are log cabin republicans?

They're republicans who do it "log cabin style"!

"Hey bunkie, here comes a big ol' ................."

OK, I'll stop there before I get in really big trouble.

	23-05-2005 04:58									#9
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quote: I think you mean no major party in the US does so

NOT at ALLLL. I MEAN no OTHER major party. no typo here.

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... where's the forums?

	23-05-2005 09:45									#11
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT ... where's the forums?

E-mail Mr. Patrick Guerriero and ask him.

	23-05-2005 10:39									#12
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I was hoping someone could give me their opinion on this.



Given the case as I have described above, would this not mean that the LEF's claim to be non-partisan is false? If I become an active member, does this mean I will have ties with the Log Cabin Republicans?

I would rather not associate with them, but if they are responsible for such a forward-thinking, activist organization such as the LEF I might have to reexamine my viewpoint of the Log Cabin Republicans. But even if I see them in a different light, I would still remain liberal -- I seriously doubt this means I'm becoming more conservative.

The last thing I need, is my two gay Republican friends bragging about how they're winning me over to the dark side if I ever tell them about my membership in the LEF, and they know its other connections.

	23-05-2005 12:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia only the libertarians support gay marriage unequivocaly. no other major party in the US does so.

I wouldn't call Libertarians a major party since they like got less then 1% of the vote in the last election. Generally of the two major parties they together take 49% and every other party shares the last 1%.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I was hoping someone could give me their opinion on this. Given the case as I have described above, would this not mean that the LEF's claim to be non-partisan is false? If I become an active member, does this mean I will have ties with the Log Cabin Republicans?

Not necessarily. Just because the founder/executive whatever is partisan, (and probably every other member), doesn't mean the organization isn't non-partisan.

The questions are whether they are all partisan the same way, and does the organization as a whole take stances consistent with that unidirectional partisanship?

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Log Cabin Republicans

Closed minded folk who dismiss Log Cabin Republicans because of their stances

Libertarians (by and large)

	24-05-2005 09:26									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Not necessarily. Just because the founder/executive whatever is partisan, (and probably every other member), doesn't mean the organization isn't non-partisan. The questions are whether they are all partisan the same way, and does the organization as a whole take stances consistent with that unidirectional partisanship?

Thank you for the only real contributing post to this thread.

	24-05-2005 09:29									#18
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We thought that was obvious, MrFun .

	24-05-2005 09:32									#19
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So? Just because something is obvious, doesn't mean you can't have the courtesy to thank someone.

	24-05-2005 09:33									#20
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Thanking moderators is always fruitless... don't you know they are all heartless?

	24-05-2005 22:24									#21
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Oh, they are?

	25-05-2005 00:04									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Oh, they are?

It seems most people think so

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I have a heart - when I'm going to have someone drawn and quartered, I always ask if they have any preference as to which limb I start with.