29-05-2005 20:37									#31
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You can always divide the number by 10 and drop fractions

	31-05-2005 21:13									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Well - when your size-1 base commissions its first terraformer, (f you're like me and invest that first row of minerals in a terraformer), you are immediately tying up over 1/3rd of that base's population if it's just 1000.

That is true, but also note that if you continue snooping around in that file, you will see that all units have certain amounts of people...terraformers also weren't built in the very, very beginning, as you can see in the stories of SMAC, but it took about 1 or 2 years...long enough for the population of SMAC to easily double, considering the age of most of the people...

I forgot the name of the file, but it'd be nice if the staff on the colony pod was posted as well...

	31-05-2005 21:39									#33
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Back when SMAC first came out I was hoping that the flavor of struggling in a hostile environment would more thoroughly permeate the game.

I saw it as a terraformer was literally one set of machinery, crew and support personnel, perhaps 50-100 people. Same with military units, more like platoons rather than Civ-esque battalion+ sized.

	31-05-2005 22:40									#34
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here it is:

quote: extracted from flavor.txt #COLONY MODULE Complement: 1000+ Composition: Prefab plastic Hydroponics rating: indef. Armament: Sidearms only Armor: Passive (Applique)

	04-06-2005 03:43									#35
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Destoying a Pod doesn't mean killing 1000 people, only destroying their equipment for setting up a colony. The people then make their way to whatever shelter they can find.

	04-06-2005 04:14									#36
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Yeah, because without their equipment and miles from the nearest base, they're just going to make oxygen out of thin air

	04-06-2005 04:49									#37
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Actually, the air on Alpha Centauri is pretty thick, and contains a half-decent amount of oxygen.

	04-06-2005 05:15									#38
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yeah, but nitrogen narcosis is fun too.

	04-06-2005 05:18									#39
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It might be at that, as suggested by the word "narcosis". However, I'm sure that it's quite toxic.

	04-06-2005 06:05									#40
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without roughly the air supply % we have here on earth,you would quickly die afaik. rasing the % would raise your metabolism(with - effects) and less would make you sleepy and ineffective

	04-06-2005 07:44									#41
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People can survive, after acclimatization, on about .07 atmospheres partial pressure O2 (which is about what the top of Everest has). Planet has .15 atmospheres partial pressure O2, higher than many high-altitude places where people live on Earth, so oxygen's not the problem, at least at sea level. Nitrogen is substantially more prevelant, at 1.6 atm partial pressure vs .79 atm on Earth, but I'm not sure what the effects of that concentration are. It doesn't seem high enough to cause serious problems. CO2 concentrations are lower on Planet, of course, and the only other gas listed is argon, which is inert.

	04-06-2005 22:19									#42
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As Chaos Theory already pointed out, Chiron’s atmosphere is denser therefore exercising a partial pressure of 1.6~1.8 atmospheres. When we take percentage of oxygen into account this leads to partial pressure of oxygen roughly 70% that of our own. Chiron’s atmosphere is breathable, albeit barely at sea level. Without breathing equipment or genetic enhanchment Chironians should have difficulty breathing so I think they would wear air masks.

Another consequence of increased gravity on Chiron (1.31 of Earth gravity) is that partial pressure of oxygen decreases quickly with altitude. Colonists who would work on high altitudes would certainly need more breathing equipment if not oxygen supply. This effect also decreases the likelihood and danger of fires on planet which is probably why we never sight forestfire events.

	04-06-2005 23:32									#43
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Would the pressure at sea level not be enough that nitrogen diffuses into bloodstream, then forms bubbles?

	04-06-2005 23:56									#44
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If the pressure can't cause nitrogen narcosis, I don't believe it can cause such an effect.

	05-06-2005 00:05									#45
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Senethro: you're referring to the bends, which results from decompression when a large amount of nitrogen is already dissolved in the blood. If you were to remain at a constant pressure, no amount of atmospheric nitrogen could cause the bends, since there would be no decompression.

	05-06-2005 03:55									#46
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Fair enough, but I can't believe it wouldn't have some effect upon blood chemistry.

	05-06-2005 11:24									#47
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Well, nitrogen narcosis does occur at higher pressures.

	05-06-2005 20:44									#48
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If checking on the canon, nitrogen narc is something the colonists are weary of at best. Breathing masks are mentioned, the effect (or lack of) on Cha Dawn when found, and so on...

	07-06-2005 09:17									#49
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According to the web, nitrogen narcosis is noticeable at a sea water depth of 30 m and can be fatal below 100 m. But at 10 m underwater the pressure is 2 atmospheres (1 atm from air plus 1 atm from water). At 30 m, the pressure is 4 atmospheres (400 kPa).

I guess that the partial pressure of nitrogen dissolved in blood would rise in proportion to external pressure. So nitrogen narcosis would barely affect people if Earth's air pressure were 4 atmospheres.

Allowing for planet's higher nitrogen content, its air pressure would need to be at least 3 atmospheres (300 kPa) before nitrogen narcosis would occur, and at least 10 atmospheres (1 MPa) for it to be fatal.

Mild nitrogen narcosis is reversible by reducing the pressure, and it doesn't leave a hangover, so it may be much less harmful than excessive alcohol consumption.

	07-06-2005 09:54									#50
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The manual says:

quote: extracted from the SMAC manual Planet’s larger size and gravity result in a significantly higher sea level pressure than Earth’s: 1.74 atmospheres (that is, 74% greater air pressure at sea level than on Earth). This brings the partial pressure of Oxygen (15k Pascals) up to acceptable levels, but the high overall pressure combined with such a large quantity of Nitrogen produces deadly Nitrogen narcosis in unprotected humans. Human colonists would have to wear pressure helmets, at the very least.

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Conclusions: the manual is exaggerating the dangers of Chiron's atmosphere, Morgan made his first planet-side fortune by promoting the manual to sell unnecessary breathing gear, and Cha Dawn is the only sane colonist.

	21-06-2005 15:30									#52
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......And Zoetrope is a HEATHEN!!!!

Only one man had the sanity to guide his people to the 100% guaranteed survival on Planet. I'm surprised Morgan never gets buried under a sea of mindworms in the latter stages of the game...he sure as heck deserves it.

But then again, I'm biased.

	21-06-2005 16:31									#53
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You have a poster of the good Chairman on the roof above your bed, don't you?

	21-06-2005 16:47									#54
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No, he just needs to look in the mirror above it.

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or look down at the pin badge we are issued with at birth, i love my badge.

	22-06-2005 06:52									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie The manual says:

[geek] That was one of the first blatant factual errors I noticed in the manual.
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nitorgen narcosis is caused by the interference of higher N content of the blood with the central nervous system. it is not dangerous in se albeit if you get "drunk" under water the risk of doing something stupid and drown is much more likely.

the supersaturation becomes problematic if you depressurize to quickly (think of the bubbles in champaign when you open the bottle). those bubbles can block arteries leading to a oxygen shortages downstream in the body.

lasting nerve damage is caused by the pressure itself (high pressure nervous syndrome).

as to oxigen, it becomes poisonous at 1.6 bar partial pressure (resulting in epiletic kinds of symtoms). again no short term consequences are ever recorded but an epileptic seizure under water isn't beneficial to the health. long term exposure to higher pressures cause the refractant to be destroyed leading to a collapse of the aveoli. (-> death through suffocation)

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quote: Originally posted by Senethro You have a poster of the good Chairman on the roof above your bed, don't you?

Doesn't everyone? But I do have a lot of Hive paraphenalia. Just look at the Poly shop.

quote: Originally posted by Lazerus or look down at the pin badge we are issued with at birth, i love my badge.

Exactly. Every Hive citizen is issued one. And those that aren't, but have the considerable luck of being liberated by Hive forces, get to learn of our humble ways before integration into Hive society.