25-05-2005 13:24									#1
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I have 2 wargames and 2 naval simulations. Yes I'm looking at my June issue of CGW right now. I have mentioned I want to get into wargames. Although these two wargames only have 3 and 1/2 stars. But they look kind of interesting.

Domination is the first wargame.
Gary Grigsby's World at War is the second wargame.

has anyone played these games? Describe your experiences.

And 2 naval simulations games. One got 4 stars, the other 5 stars.

Dangerous Waters

and Silent Hunter III.

I think I'm definately getting silent hunter, but dangerous waters looks pretty good. A bit involved, but I was in the navy (though I still know nothing of naval warfare), so I might be interested in the in depth material of the game.

what an issue for this magazine. They also have 2 other 5 star games. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, and Swat 4. And Psychonauts got 4 1/2 stars. So many amazing games. As for those last games, I'm not sure if I will like that style of play. So I'm not asking about those, but those are remote possibilities in the future (perhaps when they hit the bargain bins in several years)

	25-05-2005 19:24									#2
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Do you have HoI2? If not, there's nothing to wait for, get it.

	25-05-2005 21:13									#3
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wargames

naval simulations

	25-05-2005 22:37									#4
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Kassiopeia loves Silent Hunter III. He has written profusely about it.

	26-05-2005 00:35									#5
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Naval Simulations are dull.

And since you don't like full price games, for the wargames you can pick up old wargame classics for next to nothing, or even nothing at the place that cannot be mentioned.

	26-05-2005 02:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Naval Simulations are dull. And since you don't like full price games, for the wargames you can pick up old wargame classics for next to nothing, or even nothing at the place that cannot be mentioned.

really, wargames are a niche genre, generally made by small developers, and released by small publishers. If ANYBODY in the gaming industry deserves support, its folks like these. I salute Diss for wanting to not only buy such games, but to buy new ones.


BTW, its my impression that niche wargames DON'T fall in price nearly as dramatically as mainstream games do, from some searching on various online SALE sites (still havent bought a game online). Something to do with a market thats not real interested in graphics, and thus doesnt obsolesce products as fast, I think.

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I don't know much about the first 2 games, but I heard the 2 naval games are quite good

	26-05-2005 20:31									#8
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I've heard a ton of positive things about SH3 from fans of naval simulations. It also apparently requires quite a good comp, though.

	26-05-2005 21:54									#9
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark really, wargames are a niche genre, generally made by small developers, and released by small publishers. If ANYBODY in the gaming industry deserves support, its folks like these. I salute Diss for wanting to not only buy such games, but to buy new ones.

I would think you more than anyone would support my advice given your fetishes.

	26-05-2005 22:02									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I would think you more than anyone would support my advice given your fetishes.

You mean bargain bin hunting? At least im not DLing - even buying used games provides an indirect (albeit small) boost to the industry. And i often buy new, if shovelware games - most recently i bought the Paradox 6 pack - it was new (IE not used), if it was only $20. And someday I will buy a new, recent release game, if I can ever get through my backlog of games (not likely - as you suggested, EU2 is likely to absorb me for a LONG time)

Again, Diss suggested that he wanted to buy a new game - i didnt say Ive bought any lately, but that I salute him for doing so.

	27-05-2005 09:13									#11
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I'll definately be geting SH3, but I decided to get an older game first. So these games will go on hold for a little while.

	27-05-2005 18:36									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Do you have HoI2? If not, there's nothing to wait for, get it.

Definately!

	27-05-2005 21:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I'll definately be geting SH3, but I decided to get an older game first. So these games will go on hold for a little while.

which older games are you considering?

	28-05-2005 00:11									#14
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Hated Gary Grisby's World at War (GGWAW) because it felt to rigid and like something I've played before in another life.

Don't know anything about the other games you mention.

	28-05-2005 00:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark which older games are you considering?

the one I created a thread for. . Arcanum.

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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster Hated Gary Grisby's World at War (GGWAW) because it felt to rigid and like something I've played before in another life. Don't know anything about the other games you mention.

so it didn't feel like Axis and Allies (board game or the computer version of the board game), but only better?

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident so it didn't feel like Axis and Allies (board game or the computer version of the board game), but only better?

Yeah something like that but it also kinda felt like Avalon Hill's Third Reich.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the one I created a thread for. . Arcanum.

Oh. I thought you were considering an old wargame, as Spikey suggested.

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He's exploring several avenues. Get your oar in now if you want to recommend an old wargame.

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I tried the antietam demo on my computer once. It doesn't work for some reason. perhaps it wasn't meant to work with XP.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike He's exploring several avenues. Get your oar in now if you want to recommend an old wargame.

To be quite honest i havent played all that many old wargames - ive been too busy "expanding my gaming horizons" I'll do my best though.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I tried the antietam demo on my computer once. It doesn't work for some reason. perhaps it wasn't meant to work with XP.

You mean SMA, right? Im quite sure it (and SMG) was designed for Win 95, etc, not a DOS game. post DOS games should run on XP, right? I'll have to check that it was not a DOS game. Older post DOS games often have trouble running some systems though, IIUC, so it may be your particular system rather than XP.

Have you ever played SMG on this machine? Its the same engine.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark To be quite honest i havent played all that many old wargames - ive been too busy "expanding my gaming horizons"

Nothing wrong with that.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark You mean SMA, right? Im quite sure it (and SMG) was designed for Win 95, etc, not a DOS game. post DOS games should run on XP, right? I'll have to check that it was not a DOS game. Older post DOS games often have trouble running some systems though, IIUC, so it may be your particular system rather than XP. Have you ever played SMG on this machine? Its the same engine.

haven't played gettysburg. I wanted to try the demos first, as I wasn't sure if I would like a real time wargame.

	01-06-2005 02:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident haven't played gettysburg. I wanted to try the demos first, as I wasn't sure if I would like a real time wargame.

I got the both together two years ago, a package called "Sid meiers civil war collection" for $10. you can probably find it on the net for less, or if youre lucky, in a bargain bin. Still, if it wont run on your machine, its no bargain. I dont know enough to help with technical issues, esp with Win XP. You could try CSIPG.War-historical.


I thought the game was excellent - you can vary the speed, and pause and give orders, but its still immensely challenging. I finally gave up trying to win the opening of the second day at Gburg.