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When should spoiler tags be used? (Multiple choice, please read OP before answering.) (Time out:0 days after 25-05-2005, 17:35)
When discussing unreleased works.
When discussing recently-released works.
When discussing plot points of any work, regardless of how old.
In threads that have little relation to the spoiler (i.e., talking about the end of "Rocky" in a thread about a visit Philadelphia)
In threads devoted exclusively to a specific work, spoilers should be assumed
In threads devoted exclusively to a specific work, spoilers should not be assumed.
In threads about Bananas, spoilage is a BIG no-no.
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JohnT is offline JohnT

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My position is simple: if you are opening up a thread about a specific work already in release, be it an analysis of Gorecki's 3rd Symphony, a recently released movie, or an already-aired TV show, you should expect to see a discussion of specific plot points. Spoiler warnings are nice, but not needed.

However, if you bring up plot points in a thread not devoted to a specific movie/TV show/piece of music, then you should use the [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] tags. This even include threads like "Best ending to a movie" where one would say something like:

quote:
I really loved the ending in Casablanca where Rick,

spoiler(highlight to read):
finally realizing that there are things bigger than himself, convinces Ilsa to get on the plane.




Now, there will always be a degree of subjectivity about this - everybody knows that

spoiler(highlight to read):
Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are related


especially given that this famous surprise plot-twist was the driving force behind the prequels. But then... they may not.

Also, spoiler warnings are necessary when discussing unreleased works - for example, I've already seen Cinderella Man, which is to be released in a week or two, and while it might not really surprise anybody given both the history of James Braddock and the history of feel-good Hollywood fare, the fact is, in the end

spoiler(highlight to read):
he wins the big fight.


What say you?

In the poll, the last two selections are for you to vote on whether threads about specific works should have spoiler tags within it.

BeBro is offline BeBro
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spoiler(highlight to read):
Everything should be put in spoiler tags, just to be sure

Winston is offline Winston
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Options 1,2,4 & 6. But then I'm a bit JohnT-ish at times.

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
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Dammit all, JT, I posted this in the other thread before you precpitately asked for its deletion.

Anyway:



Do you get fries with it ?

No, I think you're absolutely right with regard to unreleased/unreviewed works- it's simply a matter of courtesy to other people who are likely to be interested in the same film or book not to mention

a) the ending

b) surprises/twists

c) important plot points

because they may become enraged and come round and eat your liver, or your neighbour's ass.


If it's a general post about lots of different films, or different books, e.g., 100 Favourite War Films, My Best Loved Hallmark Greetings Cards, My Favourite Leonard Nimoy Poem, 10 Limp Bizkit c.d.s I Have Incinerated, then I think a little reckless plot/storyline/denouement badinage is allowed.

JohnT is offline JohnT

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Shlt.

spoiler(highlight to read):
I voted incorrectly in my own poll


A dumbass I am.

Anyway, deduct one vote from "In threads devoted exclusively to a specific work, spoilers should not be assumed" and mentally place it in "In threads devoted exclusively to a specific work, spoilers should be assumed."

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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Oct 2001
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Assumption is the mother of all ****ups...

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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  Old Post 25-05-2005 17:44
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Spoilers should only be used to be annoying, or to mislead people.

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Spoiler warnings could also be given in thread titles, for example when the thread is about a news article.

Something like:

"Breaking News: Aliens attack! Warning *SPOILERS*"

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
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Or: E Coli, Listeria and Salmonella: SPOILERS !!!!!!

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Yeah.

Winston is offline Winston
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Got spare money?

Or, Bill Gates and his wife, SPOILERS!!

DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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quote:
Originally posted by JohnT

Now, there will always be a degree of subjectivity about this - everybody knows that

spoiler(highlight to read):
Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are related


especially given that this famous surprise plot-twist was the driving force behind the prequels. But then... they may not.



WHAT I WATCHED THE MOVIES LIKE 20 TIMES AND ALWAYS TAUGHT HE WAS JOKING BUT HE WAS SERIOUS?...

this explains a lot

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Right, I think people should use the spoiler tag for important plot twists, or anything which would ruin the suspense of a movie, when it isn't reasonable to believe people would know the plot twist. Either that, or an indication should be put in the top of the threads that there are spoilers inside, or at the top of the OP.

GePap is offline GePap
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I think people who have something "spolied" by reading a plot line in an internet forum are weird.

I can know the whole plot to a movie, even before I go, and still enjoy the movie. The lack of "revelation" at the moment has never been a big loss for me.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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Suffering from ads?

I know I was pissed when Ned revealed the end of Million Dollar Baby to me.

Alex is offline Alex
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quote:
Originally posted by General Ludd
Spoilers should only be used to be annoying, or to mislead people.


spoiler(highlight to read):
I agree.

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This thread is lacking in spoilers. Harry Potter Six possible spoiler:
spoiler(highlight to read):

Sufficient people in the town in Essex where HBP is being printed have placed bets on the character who is to die that the bookies have stopped accepting bets on it. Apparently there was a sudden upsurge in new registrants who only wanted to place the one (large) bet, and a leak is suspected. The character in question is *omg* Dumbledore!!

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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
I think people who have something "spolied" by reading a plot line in an internet forum are weird.

I can know the whole plot to a movie, even before I go, and still enjoy the movie. The lack of "revelation" at the moment has never been a big loss for me.


Actually, I agree.

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Bkeela is offline Bkeela
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At the very least spoilers should be kept from the title of the post. I remember a couple of years back some genius here revealed the winner of Survivor in the title.

Otherwise common sense should prevail. If you see a thread about the new Star Wars film, chances are it will contain spoilers.

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spoiler(highlight to read):

I'd hit it.

Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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I think spoilers should run amok in devoted threads, and they should be hidden in unrelated threads.

However, when discussing games, it makes sense to use spoiler tags even in dedicated threads.

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Spoilers should not have to be used in a discussion of a movie, song, book, video and etc. It should be assumed that if we are discussing the book we've all read it.

Although in a review, recommendation, critique that is encouraging/discouraging people to partake of said item spoilers should be used. It should be assumed that a review won't give away the plot points or the ending.

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quote:
Originally posted by JohnT


Actually, I agree.



Depends on the film- it's hardly going to spoil 'Portrait of a Lady' or 'The Grifters' or 'Salaam, Bombay', but might another film of a different kind- Titanic for instance.


I couldn't believe the ship sank..... not with Kate Winslet's massive water wings holding it up.

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Oddly enough, I wasn't looking at her water wings.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bkeela
At the very least spoilers should be kept from the title of the post. I remember a couple of years back some genius here revealed the winner of Survivor in the title.

Otherwise common sense should prevail. If you see a thread about the new Star Wars film, chances are it will contain spoilers.


I agree. In the title of threads, no spoilers should be revealed, unless you are discussing something which has been out for years (or something).

Otherwise, if it is a discussion about a specific show or released movie, I don't see the problem.

Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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Well, I don't think we should say what Rosebud is in a thread-title.

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Has anyone here never seen The Crying game?

Just wondering.....

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What's that?

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quote:
Originally posted by duke o' york
Has anyone here never seen The Crying game?

Just wondering.....



It definitely has a trick in the .....tail. Or somewhere close.

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