25-05-2005 20:03									#1
	Civics question Get a bigger avatar today!

In SMAC you had one choice in each of four categoies, and choosing Free Market, for example, meant you couldn't be Planned as well.

But looking at Locutus' graph in his Just the Facts thread has me wondering.

Some of the Civics choices aren't necessarily exclusive of each other, even in the same category. THere is nothing logical that prevents "Religious Tolerance" and "Pacifism" from being simultaneously valued by a culture. But if the Civics screen works like the SMAC Social Engineering then you couldn't be both at once.

I assume that you can choose only one option in each category, but do we know that? It seems to me that if each option is balanced such that choosing what should be exclusive traits (like "hereditary" and "universal suffrage") that they would provide no gains, or even only losses to the Civ. But choosing things which might complement each other, or at least not be mutually exclusive in theory ("state property" and "Environmentalism") could be possible.

Also, we know there are five choices in each of the five categories, and Locutus' graph has a row of question marks at the bottom. Could it be that those belong at the top and are the default choices? That would make them the equivalent of "frontier/simple/surivival/none" in the Civ 4 world.

	25-05-2005 22:46									#2
	Re: Civics question Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

First, keep in mind the disclaimer below the civics table: I don't know in what category some of those options have to be placed, I had to guess in a few cases. Pacifism is one of those cases.

quote: I assume that you can choose only one option in each category, but do we know that?

Yes, only one option each, we know that.

quote: Also, we know there are five choices in each of the five categories, and Locutus' graph has a row of question marks at the bottom. Could it be that those belong at the top and are the default choices? That would make them the equivalent of "frontier/simple/surivival/none" in the Civ 4 world.

That may indeed very well be, I agree with you that that is a very distinct possibility. Then again, it might just be that we just don't have enough info yet (e.g. I could see Nationhood be a Government Civic as well, rather than a Legal one as I guessed).

	25-05-2005 23:36									#3
	Re: Civics question Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Fosse Could it be that those belong at the top and are the default choices? That would make them the equivalent of "frontier/simple/surivival/none" in the Civ 4 world.

I was thinking that, too - one choice in each civics category is probably the default one that you'll want to get rid of ASAP.

	26-05-2005 02:02									#4
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

True about the disclaimer, but since it's the best we have I thought it was worth talking about it. The thing is, almost anyplace you put some options you get weird choices.

Free Speech OR emancipation?
Free Elections OR Universal Suffrage?

I'm sure that I'm on the fringe of speculation here... we only kind of know what we know about civics. But it's one of the most promising aspects of Civ IV in my opinion and I'mjust dying to know as much as possible.