26-05-2005 10:06									#1
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"Since the Civil War, in which the Southern States were conquered, against all historical logic and sound sense, the American people have been in a condition of political and popular decay . . . . The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with them also the embryo of a future truly great America." ***END QUOTE



Ok, I have never known about this quote from Adolf Hitler before. Does anyone have any knowledge of this particular quote? Such as--when did he state this? And in what context did he state this--in the years when he was still grabbing power, or in the midst of World War II?


When I first read this quote, I found it somewhat disturbing . . . . . .

	26-05-2005 10:08									#2
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So Bush and Hitler have something else in common...

	26-05-2005 10:09									#3
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No, don't know it - but Hitler is not terribly known for making sense.....

	26-05-2005 10:10									#4
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Damn you peons! What good are you for if you can't provide the information I want?

	26-05-2005 10:10									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun "Since the Civil War, in which the Southern States were conquered, against all historical logic and sound sense, the American people have been in a condition of political and popular decay . . . . The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with them also the embryo of a future truly great America." ***END QUOTE Ok, I have never known about this quote from Adolf Hitler before. Does anyone have any knowledge of this particular quote? Such as--when did he state this? And in what context did he state this--in the years when he was still grabbing power, or in the midst of World War II? When I first read this quote, I found it somewhat disturbing . . . . . .

probably in his unpublished unedited 'sequal' to mein kampf in which he blathers extensively about the US and many other topics he was equally ignorant of.

	26-05-2005 10:12									#6
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what a stupid quote.

Hitler was a moron.

	26-05-2005 10:13									#7
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So then where did you get information about this unpublished, uneditted work, Geronimo?


Can you cite any source about this particular work?

	26-05-2005 10:13									#8
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Yeah, we know. But he was Austrian

	26-05-2005 10:14									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo probably in his unpublished unedited 'sequal' to mein kampf in which he blathers extensively about the US and many other topics he was equally ignorant of.

that might be it. I was reading an article about that (maybe it was posted here). He has a lot of talk about the U.S. in it.

	26-05-2005 10:15									#10
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	26-05-2005 10:16									#11
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So stop teasing me and tell me where I can locate information on this piece of work that Hitler wrote but never completed.

	26-05-2005 10:19									#12
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Well, is there nothing about it where you found the quote? And aren't you at a uni, or did I misunderstand that? Can't you search there for it (uni libraries or so)....No idea else....

	26-05-2005 10:20									#13
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Isn't there a Google Scholar search now?

	26-05-2005 10:22									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So stop teasing me and tell me where I can locate information on this piece of work that Hitler wrote but never completed.

what part of unpublished didn't you get.

It wasn't published. In fact, there is still some dispute over the authenticity of it. I believe only the egghead scientists have access to it right now.

	26-05-2005 10:22									#15
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Oh I can cite the source from where I got the quote, but my source does not tell me the historical context in which Hitler stated the quote in the OP. Here is the source from which I got the quote:

A New Birth of Freedom: Abraham Lincoln and the Coming of the Civil War
by Harry V. Jaffa

You know how some historians provide a sampling of quotes from various people right on the first page of each chapter? Well, this quote from Adolf Hitler is used on the first page of Chapter 2 of the above book I cited.

But there is no date provided by Jaff as to when Hitler stated the quote in the OP.

	26-05-2005 10:23									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what part of unpublished didn't you get. It wasn't published. In fact, there is still some dispute over the authenticity of it. I believe only the egghead scientists have access to it right now.

Newsflash -- unpublished does not mean that it's nonexistent.


There are journals and diaries stored away in archives that were never published, for instance, yet are still accessible.

	26-05-2005 10:23									#17
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This is the best I can do so far.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4647483-2557528

	26-05-2005 10:24									#18
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I love you, Ted.

	26-05-2005 10:25									#19
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I'd hit it.

	26-05-2005 10:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Oh I can cite the source from where I got the quote, but my source does not tell me the historical context in which Hitler stated the quote in the OP. Here is the source from which I got the quote: A New Birth of Freedom: Abraham Lincoln and the Coming of the Civil War by Harry V. Jaffa You know how some historians provide a sampling of quotes from various people right on the first page of each chapter? Well, this quote from Adolf Hitler is used on the first page of Chapter 2 of the above book I cited. But there is no date provided by Jaff as to when Hitler stated the quote in the OP.

Books which don't reveal where the quotes come from

	26-05-2005 10:26									#21
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So, we can make the inference then, that the quote from Hitler in my OP probably came from this book that Ted provided a link to?

If so, according to the editorial review, this book reflects his thoughts in the 1920s. So if our inference is correct, the quote in my OP is from the 1920s.

	26-05-2005 10:27									#22
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Don't be a doofus, Mr. Fun.

You might be repeating a quote you saw in a flame thread on the internet.

Use your hard earned skills as a historian to track it down, and don't berate people for not showing you the source of a nonexistant quote.

Or just ask Harry Jaffa where he got it from.

	26-05-2005 10:28									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker This is the best I can do so far. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4647483-2557528

intersting.

check out this review.

quote: Unpublished sequel??!!, June 16, 2004 Reviewer: irnmtn25 (Colonial Heights, VA) - See all my reviews ..Then why is it that I can go down to my local library and find several editions of this VERY SAME BOOK in print???!?!?! Already, I am seriously questioning the validity of this work. This book was first published in 1961....and I think I will be reading that version...the FIRST EDITION!!! Anyone who tauts that this is some newly discovered work had better do some research. The manuscript was discovered after the war....and if it takes almost 50 years to publish the "unpublished sequel", then something's rotten in Denmark! Get the first edition.

	26-05-2005 10:29									#24
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Let's hope it is not from the same source as the so-called Hitler Diaries....

	26-05-2005 10:30									#25
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WAIT -- Jaffa did provide information on the quote from Hitler.


According to Jaffa's citation, Hitler stated the quote in the OP in 1933 in some piece of work titled The Voice of Destruction by Hermann Raushning. Raushning's book was published in 1940.

	26-05-2005 10:31									#26
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Ha!

	26-05-2005 10:31									#27
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Don't be a doofus, Mr. Fun. You might be repeating a quote you saw in a flame thread on the internet. Use your hard earned skills as a historian to track it down, and don't berate people for not showing you the source of a nonexistant quote. Or just ask Harry Jaffa where he got it from.

Hey guess what? I already have found the info.

	26-05-2005 10:33									#28
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Voice of Hitler

Voice of Ted Striker

Ted Striker > Hitler

	26-05-2005 10:37									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Hey guess what? I already have found the info.

quote: Moving on to Hitler, allow me to question your quote. First, as you indicate, Jaffa is not the primary source, which means for purposes of analyzing it we must turn to Hermann Rauschning. Could you provide the context of Rauschning's quotation of Hitler? Was he quoting another source? Was it a speech he gave or a paper he wrote? Does it have a date? A location? I ask for two reasons. First, Rauschning was not among Hitler's closest confidents by any means and only seems to have even known Hitler for a period of only two years from 1932 to 1934 when Rauschning became a Hitler opponent and fled to Switzerland. Because of this the depth of his intimate knowledge of Hitler's beliefs is severely limited. Second - and correct me if you know of one - I know of no instance where Hitler said anything even remotely similar to that quote in his known speeches or in texts such as Mein Kampf that we know for certain to have been his. Unless you have some dates and document specifics or some other corroborating person besides Rauschning, I believe it is fair to say that the authenticity of that quote is dubious.

Come on, Fun, this can be done in thirty seconds of Googling.

	26-05-2005 10:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Hey guess what? I already have found the info.

in any case, why is this so important?

It doesn't look like a particularly good quote to me. It makes no sense. Or am I not reading it right?