26-05-2005 10:29									#1
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I've been playing around with an idea that has seemed to spawned into a full-blown mod, it is basicly a galactic colonization scenario where you must conquer the galaxy, or be the first to get colonists to the andromeda galaxy and conquer it i decided to give it a shot since there seem to be a complete deadlock on new future scenarios,
right now i have no cities, flags, icons, unit stats or tech tree.
terrain is about 40 percent done,
Here is the early beta of the units,

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	26-05-2005 11:08									#2
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At last, a new space mod to replace the very entertaining but also very buggy Civspace mod.

Some advice for the Tech Tree: don't just stuff it with things such as "quantum particle theory" or "bioelectronanodynamics" - put in a good number of social techs as well.

	26-05-2005 15:34									#3
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My question is - who are the good guys and who are the bad?

	27-05-2005 23:01									#4
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quote: Originally posted by beingofone My question is - who are the good guys and who are the bad?

all units are generic, so it all depends,

	28-05-2005 01:31									#5
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How are you working terrain? Is this going to be more like Moojr (where the "ships" are actually land units, and space is plains or some such) or Kobayashi's STBAQ (more accurate, but more difficult and less AI-friendly solar-system "islands" in an ocean of space)?

It's a pity my computer can't play civ2 any longer...I'm just hanging around here to encourage now. But you're right, sci-fi and original fantasy aren't as big as they could be.

	28-05-2005 07:04									#6
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Civspace's galaxy map had all squares coastal but contiguous by interweaving ocean "deep space" and land tiles. Ships were able to cross the gap between spiral arms.

	28-05-2005 19:19									#7
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I'm using ocean as deep space, starships will be naval units,
many starships will have the carrier flag so that they can carry starsfighters, starships range from attack shuttle to battlestar, there will also be a sattelite unit that any civ can build from the start which has no defence or attack that can be used for exploration, the other start units are long range shuttle and attack shuttle, the shuttles have 1 or 2 movement while tjhe sattelite has 6-7 movement,

	28-05-2005 19:43									#8
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Shouldn't it be a "probe," not a satellite?

	28-05-2005 20:27									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Shouldn't it be a "probe," not a satellite?

now it's a probe
thanks

	28-05-2005 23:11									#10
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Nice idea, with interesting possibilities.

But where, oh where, is the WWI scen that IIRC you were working on? I was very much looking forward to playing it.

	29-05-2005 00:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA Nice idea, with interesting possibilities. But where, oh where, is the WWI scen that IIRC you were working on? I was very much looking forward to playing it.

it's getting there, i just need inspiration, i've been watching too many sci-fi shows lately which is why i started this scen.
I figure i'll pick up a number of books and movies about ww1 from the library when i clear up my card, that should giove my the inspiration to continue my ww1 scen,

	29-05-2005 02:17									#12
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It's a pity that range doesn't affect naval units. :-/

	29-05-2005 09:10									#13
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Well, you could make early probes triremes and give them the posisbility of being lost in deep space, to keep expansion down, prevent someone from sending a colonizing vessel to the other side of the Galaxy.

	30-05-2005 00:15									#14
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Eh, I think it's better to just limit the abilities of settlers directly. Force them to do in-system "short-range shuttle" paradrops at first or something. Thus far, the limitation of space has not been seeing what's there so much as getting people there safely. Remember, our probes have just left the solar system recently after several decades of flight; serious interstellar probes would have to work on a different scale (presumptively you'd have to develop faster-than-light communication somehow unless you wanted to be a couple of years late in getting the news), and probably be less likely to get "lost" than their primitive ancestors. We're nowhere near the technology required to do this kind of expansion, so it's anybody's guess how it would work.

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When you're making a speculative scenario, don't worry too much about hard science. Think about what you want the player to be doing at different phases of the game, and make the tech fit accordingly.

	30-05-2005 03:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Eh, I think it's better to just limit the abilities of settlers directly. Force them to do in-system "short-range shuttle" paradrops at first or something.

That's a great idea, however (just like the trireme one) it is unviable with AI civs...

	30-05-2005 03:28									#17
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quote: Originally posted by N35t0r That's a great idea, however (just like the trireme one) it is unviable with AI civs...

although it might work for a pbem version

	30-05-2005 04:34									#18
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Well, that is certainly interesting.

Although take your time, as I'll have virtually no free time over the next month or so.

	30-05-2005 22:12									#19
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Currently i am coming up with a story that leads up to the start of the game, the story will influence the techs,
One of my ideas is that the sun became unstable, and 21 countries sent sleeper ships into the unknown in an attempt to preserve their civilizations, only 7 ships survived the journey, the player would play as one of those 7 colanies and attempt to create a inter-stellar empire or launch a starship into the next closest galaxy,

What do you think?

	31-05-2005 20:09									#20
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Odd as it sounds, I think the starship victory option is a bit out of place for this scenario...when the civilization's already in space, there's no major technological adaptation involved in traveling to another galaxy. All you'd have to worry about would be increasing the efficiency of existing life support and propulsion technologies so the colony ship could get there in decent shape by a reasonable point in time. It's not like with regular civ..."We're colonizing alien planets!" "So what? We've been doing that for centuries now!"

But then I've never really liked the starship option anyway, so who knows. Are you planning on incorporating extraterrestrial life in any way? When you first proposed this I was thinking of something like MoO only without the major racial advantages.

	31-05-2005 20:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Odd as it sounds, I think the starship victory option is a bit out of place for this scenario...when the civilization's already in space, there's no major technological adaptation involved in traveling to another galaxy. All you'd have to worry about would be increasing the efficiency of existing life support and propulsion technologies so the colony ship could get there in decent shape by a reasonable point in time. It's not like with regular civ..."We're colonizing alien planets!" "So what? We've been doing that for centuries now!" But then I've never really liked the starship option anyway, so who knows. Are you planning on incorporating extraterrestrial life in any way? When you first proposed this I was thinking of something like MoO only without the major racial advantages.

so what could i turn the starship victory into, what kind of device could make it's owner undefeatable and powerful beyond imagination,

	01-06-2005 08:03									#22
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Travel to another galaxy sounds like enough of a jump to require a much bigger starship to me. Maybe the navigation requirements alone are enough to justify a space-ship type project, even if basic space travel has been reduced to instantaneous traverse.

Anyway, some thought should go into types of propulsion and such, no doubt. but nothing wrong with intergalactic travel as a plot peak.

good luck!

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Even at supra-light speed fast enough to get you across the galaxy in a couple of months, galaxies are very very far away... If we're talking about reaching the nearest galaxy ( or perhaps the universe's center where, according to ancient artifacts discovered scattered around the galaxy, an abandoned but still working device of inmense power awaits whoever gets there first.

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I Was also thinking of some kind of gate system, kind of like "stargate" and the first one to complete a gate hub would use it to sabatoge all other gate hubs that are under construction, the gates would allow instant travel to any point in the universe instantly. Who needs starships when you can instantly send anything anywhere, and the civ who builds it can place huge armies in all other civ's capitols, so pretty much once one civ builds it, it's game over to all other civ's

or i could make it as contact with an alien race, first one to contact that race wins, then leave what happens next to another scen,

	03-06-2005 01:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika I Was also thinking of some kind of gate system, kind of like "stargate" and the first one to complete a gate hub would use it to sabatoge all other gate hubs that are under construction, the gates would allow instant travel to any point in the universe instantly. Who needs starships when you can instantly send anything anywhere, and the civ who builds it can place huge armies in all other civ's capitols, so pretty much once one civ builds it, it's game over to all other civ's or i could make it as contact with an alien race, first one to contact that race wins, then leave what happens next to another scen,

If you use ToT, you could make the completion of the 'project' (whatever it is) enable travel to a new, super-productive, world, which will give whoever gets there an edge over the others.

	03-06-2005 06:49									#26
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BE- You ought to check out the Galactic Overlord game down in Other Games. It's a forum game set in space.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=133772

	03-06-2005 20:31									#27
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currently i am working on a back story, the back story will influence the techs like i said before, and the spaceship/gateway/alien contact victory will also influence techs, i am thinking that earth built a seires of colanies, then something happened that wiped out earth and most of the colanies, and 7 bands of refugees settle down and start building their own civilizations,