26-05-2005 22:01									#61
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I don't carry a drivers licence. In fact I'm not sure where mine is, haven't driven for 10 years and have little intention of doing so. And don't tell me you've never broken the law because I'm pretty sure you have at some point.

it is also useful when you are carded...

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	26-05-2005 23:05									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Like I stated in other discussions on having a national Id card... I don't see the problem here. I already carry a drivers license, which has my SS number, Address and picture on it already. I have to validate that info when I get it. This doesn't really change anything. I guess if you are criminal, or illegally in this country, one might consider it a problem...

my drivers license does nto have my SSN on it. I specifically requested it does not.

If you lose your license someone could steal your identity.

	26-05-2005 23:12									#63
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It's **** like this that make me want to throw away all my ID and live off the grid in a shack in Montana. But that's just too much work.

It's easier to be a sheep and do whatever my goverment tells me. They know best.

	26-05-2005 23:12									#64
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I'm glad the Governor's are fighting this. In addition to being an unfunded mandate (like the states are in good financial health anyway), it's a commandering of state officials. The governors are correct that they are trying to get state officials to do the INS's job, which ain't Constitutional.

	26-05-2005 23:13									#65
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I actually heard this on the radio last week. I figured it was more right wing paranoia. I really didn't think it was true.

You ever know how right wingers tend to be the most paranoid people?

	27-05-2005 00:00									#66
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PLanes and trains I can understand but buses?! WTF? OBL isn't going to be riding grey hound. All a terrorist has to do is buy a $1000 beater of a car and drive where he wants. I suppose the buses thing was added in to try to stop illegal aliens from transiting the country by bus (which many of the poorest illegal immigraints do indeed do) but still it is pretty lame to call it an anti-terrorism measure.

	27-05-2005 00:02									#67
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its a first step in the goverment restricting our travel like soviet russia

	27-05-2005 00:09									#68
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No, its only restricting the travel of people who have something to hide

	27-05-2005 00:15									#69
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Oerdin: This is an anti-illegal immigrant bill more than anything. As I understand, it stops Mexican embassy-issued IDs from being acceptable ID in order to get a state driver's license.

	27-05-2005 00:18									#70
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quote: I actually heard this on the radio last week. I figured it was more right wing paranoia.

It is rightwing paranoia

	27-05-2005 00:20									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty No, its only restricting the travel of people who have something to hide

Yea dude, the spies and western saboteurs

	27-05-2005 00:21									#72
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Faux?

Didn't you know? DinoDoc makes himself the world's sole authority on other people's thoughts and emotions.

	27-05-2005 00:23									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin PLanes and trains I can understand but buses?! WTF? OBL isn't going to be riding grey hound. All a terrorist has to do is buy a $1000 beater of a car and drive where he wants. I suppose the buses thing was added in to try to stop illegal aliens from transiting the country by bus (which many of the poorest illegal immigraints do indeed do) but still it is pretty lame to call it an anti-terrorism measure.

You mean you don't believe in everything that happens in movies?



(The Siege)

	27-05-2005 00:23									#74
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I don't swing that way Oerdin. Stop following me around.

	27-05-2005 00:26									#75
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I don't think it would be enforceable on commuter rail. Mad props to LotM for his creativity.

In time they'll likely have some sort of automatic card swipe system so the government can keep track of where people are and where they're going.

	27-05-2005 00:27									#76
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I don't swing that way Oerdin. Stop following me around.

Yet more delusions? You could get therapy for that.

	27-05-2005 00:28									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin PLanes and trains I can understand but buses?! WTF? OBL isn't going to be riding grey hound. All a terrorist has to do is buy a $1000 beater of a car and drive where he wants. I suppose the buses thing was added in to try to stop illegal aliens from transiting the country by bus (which many of the poorest illegal immigraints do indeed do) but still it is pretty lame to call it an anti-terrorism measure.

oerdin, no one has shown any evidence that an ID is required to board intercity buses. The greyhound web site implies that it is not required, for domestic travel.

I think the brit mag quoted in the OP simply got this wrong. They also seem to have gotten confused about what the realID act changes. It does NOT add more places, modes of transport where you need to show ID. What it DOES do is say that state drivers licenses will only be recognized by the Fed govt as ID IF proof of legal residency is required to get said drivers license.

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Oerdin just curious -- have you ever seen the movie, The Siege?

	27-05-2005 00:40									#79
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No.

	27-05-2005 01:09									#80
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So then you wouldn't get my joke.

	27-05-2005 01:56									#81
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So then you wouldn't get my joke.

you made a joke?

	27-05-2005 04:18									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin PLanes and trains I can understand but buses?! WTF? OBL isn't going to be riding grey hound. All a terrorist has to do is buy a $1000 beater of a car and drive where he wants. I suppose the buses thing was added in to try to stop illegal aliens from transiting the country by bus (which many of the poorest illegal immigraints do indeed do) but still it is pretty lame to call it an anti-terrorism measure.

Suicide bombers. In most cases, they would have a higher potential lethality for a lot lower yield of explosives than a car bomb.

Of course, there's always the problem that when you make one type of tactic tougher to pull off, you make another one more attractive.

	27-05-2005 05:21									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien Pretty soon, I will not have just any ID card, I will have a MICROSOFT (R) ID card !

I can smell errors from miles away here...

	27-05-2005 05:23									#84
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Suicide bombers. In most cases, they would have a higher potential lethality for a lot lower yield of explosives than a car bomb. Of course, there's always the problem that when you make one type of tactic tougher to pull off, you make another one more attractive.

You might as well enter a crowded bar/theatre/... and blow youself up. If you want to make a lot of casualties, nothing is going to stop you. The fact that this does not happen 'en masse' shows that suicide bombing isn't all that popular anyway.

	27-05-2005 14:12									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Ming No... you are. Please show me where they are saying that the govenement is compelling us to carry a government issued i.d. card. Yeah, if you want to enter a governement building or travel, you need to have one... not the same thing.

I was talking about British proposals to bring in an identification card which had to be carried on the person at all times.

Not much point bringing in a government i.d. card if it's optional, is it ?

"Oh no, officer, I didn't feel like carrying it today, I have a headache."

"Oh that's perfectly all right, Mr Would Be Terrorist. But in future, if you're planning a terrorist atrocity, the government would be quite pleased if you could show your optional government i.d. card to any member of a branch of the security forces who happens to be located conveniently close to your secret hideout."

"How about my voluntarily carried Visa card that's in an assumed name ? Will that do ?"

Et cetera... et cetera....

	27-05-2005 14:16									#86
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http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/po...sp?story=641731

	27-05-2005 14:21									#87
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I think mandatory ID on trains is a good idea. I highly doubt any Terrorists™ could get such identification, and it is therefore an effective measure to keep trains safe from exploding persons

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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat I think mandatory ID on trains is a good idea. I highly doubt any Terrorists™ could get such identification, and it is therefore an effective measure to keep trains safe from exploding persons

I think people are more likely to explode out of frustration at the poor performance of privatized railway companies.

	27-05-2005 14:30									#89
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If every citizen and legal alien hasone then it shouldn't be hard to get one. You just use an agent who's legally in the country or better yet steal someone elses and swipe the card as you enter the train. Unless it does eye scans or something then anyone can use it.

	27-05-2005 14:35									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If every citizen and legal alien hasone then it shouldn't be hard to get one. You just use an agent who's legally in the country or better yet steal someone elses and swipe the card as you enter the train. Unless it does eye scans or something then anyone can use it.

Are you suggesting that terrorists and criminals are dishonest, tricky and disingenuous ?

That ordinary people are open to bribery, or companies can be infiltrated ?




You take that right back.