29-05-2005 05:32									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why is it that right wingers live in fantasy land?

The Nedverse and Aggieverse need not be at odds

	29-05-2005 05:49									#92
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quote: Do you really think that lefties are any better ? Actually some of the leftist fantasies scares the hell out of me.

Uh yeah... I'm about the most lefty person on this board and I don't favour much more in the present circumstances than mild tax increases, reform of copyright law and public healthcare and suchlike.

The rest is for down the track.

	29-05-2005 05:50									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why is it that right wingers live in fantasy land?

I find that a funny statement coming from you.

	29-05-2005 05:55									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Do you really think that lefties are any better ? Actually some of the leftist fantasies scares the hell out of me. Uh yeah... I'm about the most lefty person on this board and I don't favour much more in the present circumstances than mild tax increases, reform of copyright law and public healthcare and suchlike. The rest is for down the track.

My fault. I thought that real life leftist fantasies was also concidered.

	29-05-2005 06:20									#95
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Jeez... you guys don't even come close to understanding my views.

	29-05-2005 06:54									#96
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Do you really think that lefties are any better ? Actually some of the leftist fantasies scares the hell out of me

The only Leftie nuts I can think of here are Kidicious (see Lancer's Cap/Com thread, Kid's becoming a Stalinist ), Tecumseh, and Tripledoc (the last 2 are raving conspiracy nuts who think the US is Evil Incarnate).

	29-05-2005 06:57									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Jeez... you guys don't even come close to understanding my views.

Nope, we are waiting for the moment where you yourself understand them

	29-05-2005 08:45									#98
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Perhaps giving the country back to the British? :-D

	29-05-2005 09:08									#99
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1) Institute the income-is-income tax. If you get money via salary, inheritance, capital gains, whatever, it is all taxed as income (except for first $100,000 capital gains for sale of owner-occupied residence).

2) Revive corporate taxes. They're legally "people" so they get to pay taxes like the rest of us.

3) Institute national health care along the lines of SB 840, now pending in California Senate -- i.e. single-payor plan.

4) Engineer pull-out from Iraq. Establish the number of troops necessary to keep the insurgency under control. When Iraqis are trained, pull out that number of Americans.

5) Refocus the War on Terror on bin Laden & al Qaeda.

6) Bring international pressure to bear on countries that use child labor and/or prison labor. Most-favored-nation status only to those countries with minimal labor and environmental standards.

7) Redirect energy policy to renewable and nonpolluting sources. Sign onto Kyoto Treaty but push for developing countries like India and China to cut back on their pollution as well.

8) "Fix" Social Security by letting future generations know that in 2050, those looking at retirement will have a choice -- retirement at 65 with 70% benefits; retirement at 70 with full benefits.

9) Extend usury laws to cover banks, credit-card companies and other institutional lenders.

10) Develop water desalination projects to irrigate the American southwest & elsewhere.

11) Develop high-speed passenger train system.

12) Push NASA towards a Martian colony.

13) Begin colonization of sea floor.

14) Order the creation of a solar-powered zepplin to be used as my Royal Sky Yacht.

	31-05-2005 00:41									#100
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LMAO

I've been called many things in my life, but Imran, a Fascist; please.

I'm a Nationalist; there's a vast difference between the two.

A Fascist, while he/she exalts the nation like I do, he/she stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of the opposition.

So after reading my suggestions you came to that conclusion, astonishing. Rutgers professors must be the best at teaching their students deductive reasoning.

Agathon, your comments are typical from people who still have a limy ***** as their head of state. People like you know everything about America, when in reality you KNOW absolutely Nothing.

I only debate with U.S. citizens.

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quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib LMAO I've been called many things in my life, but Imran, a Fascist; please. I'm a Nationalist; there's a vast difference between the two.

Not really.



Sounds like what you really are, is in denial.

	31-05-2005 02:08									#102
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Okay Ludd, you Fing Canuck, Define Nationalism. Five will get you ten says you get it wrong.

You also proved my point about people with the Limy B***H as your Head of State. All of the same mind-set, and on their viewpoint of America.

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	31-05-2005 02:11									#103
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Your use of the bold gives the impression that you have a large vein on your forehead when you stress your words.

	31-05-2005 02:18									#104
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Starchild, I use them to highlight or express the point I make or the insult I want to give. Yes, I know that bold means your shouting, but since I have to type it instead of speaking it. Well I'll use whatever works.

	31-05-2005 02:26									#105
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Why draw attention to an insult? Takes the skill out of the game.

	31-05-2005 02:44									#106
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Tact isn't one a my fortes.

	31-05-2005 02:47									#107
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Pity

	31-05-2005 02:59									#108
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Funny, shouting was one of the major marks of certain nationalistic regimes in the first part of the previous century, and tact - well, I suspect that they didn't even knew the word, and of course the meaning of it was way above their heads.

	31-05-2005 03:54									#109
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Hmmm...

Germany, 1933-1945--National Socialism--Nazi--Racist and Socialistic.

Italy, 1922-1943--Fascist--see above

China, 1920-Present--Nationalist China (Chang Ki-sheik) defeated Warlords to unite country from foreigners influence. Civil War with Communists until Japan invaded. Both sides agreed to a cease-fire. Japan defeated, Nationals defeated by Communists after war, flee to Formosa (Taiwan). Communists in power ever since.

Southeast Asia--Nationalist movement seeks independence from France after WWI at Versailles Peace Conference. Falls on deaf ears. Vietminh wage guerilla war against France after WW2. French Indochina carved up after French lose at Dienbienphu. Cambodia, Laos, N & S Vietnam all created. Communist movements takes over all in 1975.

Cuba, circa 1800's--Nationalist movement against Spain. win indepence after Spanish-American War in 1898.
Cuba, 1950's--overthrow Batista regime. Castro declares himself a Socialist in New York when he comes to the U.S., Cuba a socialist dictatorship 'til today.

North America, 1775-1783--American colonies rebel against English rule.

Do you want me to continue on Nationalistic movements. Because Blackcat you still don't know what a Nationalist is. There are goods ones and there are bad ones. You fail to see the differences.

	31-05-2005 04:09									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib Hmmm... Do you want me to continue on Nationalistic movements. Because Blackcat you still don't know what a Nationalist is. There are goods ones and there are bad ones. You fail to see the differences.

You don't have, We have had them here a couple of times, 1848-1864 was the worst - they cost approx a third of the country and we only got say half back in 1920.

What I was opposing was the shouting and lack of tact wich I have a tendency to connect with people/politics that are not able to build up their cases on facts.

Admittedly, Apolyton/OT can sometimes give you an urge to use very big letters although I don't think the targets will ever get the message

	31-05-2005 04:40									#111
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Hmmm...

1848-1864

The duchies of Schleswig & Holstein, German, revolted against Danish control in 1848 and were occupied by Prussian troops commissioned by the German Confederation, which had claims to the duchies. With Swedish, British and Russian help, the Danes held their rights to Schleswig-Holstein, until Bismarck came along in 1864 and went through you guys like s**t through a goose (Danish-Prussian War). Bismark didn't like the Austrians, and dealt with them next in 1866 (Seven Weeks' War).

If you are still suffering from that, you have Danish Nationalism in you, and you didn't even know it.

	31-05-2005 04:50									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib Hmmm... 1848-1864 The duchies of Schleswig & Holstein, German, revolted against Danish control in 1848 and were occupied by Prussian troops commissioned by the German Confederation, which had claims to the duchies. With Swedish, British and Russian help, the Danes held their rights to Schleswig-Holstein, until Bismarck came along in 1864 and went through you guys like s**t through a goose (Danish-Prussian War). Bismark didn't like the Austrians, and dealt with them next in 1866 (Seven Weeks' War). If you are still suffering from that, you have Danish Nationalism in you, and you didn't even know it.

You don't get it. There was a great rise in nationalism in that period wich caused the wars. It has no impact now, that is not in the nationalistic way - in other ways it had some impact.

Can't blame Bismarck didn't like the Austrians - their fleet was a disaster.

	31-05-2005 05:01									#113
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I'm sure the Mouse will point out that such nationalistic wars aren't as harmful for the victors

	31-05-2005 05:10									#114
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quote: There was a great rise in nationalism in that period wich caused the wars. It has no impact now, that is not in the nationalistic way.

Oh really, then why is there opposition to the EU; the latest being France--the so called champions of Multinationalism. Take out Multi and you have your answer. The Balkans during the '90's. Your still unsure, otherwise you wouldn't have added this tag to your statement.

quote: - in other ways it had some impact.

	31-05-2005 05:21									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib Oh really, then why is there opposition to the EU; the latest being France--the so called champions of Multinationalism. Take out Multi and you have your answer.

72% of the French want the European construction to continue. 39% of the Non voters did so because they hoped that a better European constitution would be written. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Non victory was definitely not a nationalist one.

	31-05-2005 05:23									#116
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Hmm...

Kill the first-born

	31-05-2005 05:24									#117
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Don't confuse the issue with facts, Spiff.

	31-05-2005 05:26									#118
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My first act would be to declare it can't be fixed so don't blame me.

	31-05-2005 05:52									#119
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Great idea!! Hey everybody! Let's blame Alexander's Horse!!!

	31-05-2005 06:04									#120
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then I'd land on an aircraft carrier with a big sign saying mission accomplished

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