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Winston is offline Winston
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Ok, this has to be taken with a grain of salt. As the article also points out, it is unclear at this time if they are in fact soldiers, and also what is their reason for still being in the Philippines. But it is intriguing to think about nonetheless, not least the mention of the up to 40 other troops still being around on the islands so many years after the war.

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'Japan soldiers' found in jungle

Japanese officials in the Philippines are interviewing two men who claim to be Japanese soldiers living in the jungle since the end of World War II.

The pair, now in their 80s, were found on the southern island of Mindanao.

They reportedly said they wanted to return to Japan, but were afraid of facing a court martial.

In 1974, a Japanese soldier, Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda, was found in the Philippines jungle, unaware that the war had ended 29 years previously.

'Incredible if true'

The two men on Mindanao had contacted a Japanese national who was collecting the remains of war dead on Mindanao, according to government sources.

They had equipment which suggested they were former soldiers.

"It is an incredible story if it is true," Japan's consul general in Manila, Akio Egawa, told the AFP news agency.

"They were found, I believe, in the mountains near General Santos on Mindanao Island.

"At this stage we are not saying either way whether or not these two men are in fact former soldiers. We may be in a better position later today," he said.

According to Japanese media reports, the pair had been living with Muslim rebel groups and at least one of them has married a local woman and had a family.

According to the BBC's Tokyo correspondent, the likelihood is that they are well aware the war is over but have chosen to stay in the Philippines for their own reasons.

Remote jungle

Mindanao has seen more than two decades of Muslim rebellion and many areas are out of central government control.

Japan invaded the Philippines in 1941, shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbour and set up a brutal puppet government.

In the closing months of the war, there was heavy fighting with US troops in the mountainous, heavily forested islands.

The Sankei Shimbun daily said the men would most likely be members of the Panther division, 80% of whom were killed or went missing during the final months of the war.

It speculated there could be as many as 40 Japanese soldiers living in similar conditions in the Philippines.

When Lt Onoda was found on the Philippines island of Lubang in 1974, he initially refused to surrender.

Only when his former commanding officer was flown over from Japan did he agree to leave the jungle.

He later emigrated to Brazil.

Published: 2005/05/27 05:28:48 GMT
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Believe it or not this sort of stuff has been happening periodically for the last 60 years. One Japanese soldier finally gave up hiding in the late 1990's and the locals knew he was there since he'd steal chickens and stuff and one of them even managed to photograph him. The photo was published in Japan and the man's sister recognized him; the sister flew to the PI and talked him out of the forest.

Apparently the last orders the Japanese military gave to their forces in the PI was to evade capture and to never surrender. A handful of them did that for the better part of a century.

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I imagine a man who spent his life in a jungle evading capture would find modern Japan a scary place. Hopefully the Japanese government would pay him back wages for 60 years of following orders though.

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Imagine having spent one's whole life in a jungle and returning to modern day society trying to figure out what's going on. And find all the people you knew gone. All because of "circumstance", various degrees of misunderstandings.

It's hard to imagine such a thing could happen to people.

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Hopefully the Japanese government would pay him back wages for 60 years of following orders though.


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charge em' with war crimes

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These guys should be sent to Soth Korea to help stiffen them up.

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There are still parts of Japan where they could live where modern life isn't so present.

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There are still parts of Japan where they could live where modern life isn't so present.


Not really. Maybe Iriomote-jima...

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There are still parts of Japan where they could live where modern life isn't so present.


Are you crazy? They dont even have the space to build a golf course if they wanted to...

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There's plenty of golf courses...

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That's pretty awesome, whether I like it or not.

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The guy they caught in '74 had been randomly shooting Philippine rice farmers, men, and women, in order to carry on the war effort. He's a hero in Japan.

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Are you sure about that? I thought he had run out of ammo and his gun had totally rusted out in the 60's.

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Yes, I'll see if I can find a link.

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http://history1900s.about.com/libra...y/aa120700a.htm

"We considered people dressed as islanders to be enemy troops in disguise or enemy spies. The proof that they were was that whenever we fired on one of them, a search party arrived shortly afterward."3 It had become a cycle of disbelief. Isolated from the rest of the world, everyone appeared to be the enemy. "

This site doesn't go very far into it. I watched a Discovery channel (iirc) documentary which interviewed Philippine families on Lubang. They recalled how their grandmother was sitting on the porch and was shot, that sort of thing. Many civilians were killed just going about their work. A favorite tactic was to shoot rice farmers in their fields. The people would go after the Japanese soldiers after but could never catch them in the jungle. Still, their family members were being murdered so it pissed them off and they never quit trying.

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This states that his rifle was still in 'operating condition'

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000310.html

One much-publicized case was Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda. He had been stationed on Lubang Island in the Philippines when it was overrun by U.S. forces in February 1945. Most of the Japanese troops were slain or captured, but Onoda and several other men holed up in the jungle. The others were eventually killed, but Onoda held out for 29 years, dismissing every attempt to coax him out as a ruse. Finally the Japanese government located his commanding officer, who went to Lubang in 1974 to order Onoda to give up. The lieutenant stepped out of the jungle to accept the order of surrender in his dress uniform and sword, with his rifle still in operating condition.

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Check this out...he was pardoned by >>>Marcos<<<, "much to the disgust of the islanders Onoda had raided and shot at for the last 30 years. "

http://www.trivia-library.com/b/his...urai-part-4.htm

"The following day the ceremony was repeated for the world's press when Pres. Ferdinand Marcos again returned Onoda's sword to him. He also pardoned Onoda for his crimes on Lubang, much to the disgust of the islanders Onoda had raided and shot at for the last 30 years. "


"But what had Onoda fought for? Back on Lubang, he left two close comrades and at least 30 Filipinos in their graves. They were casualties of a long-forgotten war because of one man's stubborn adherence to the samurai ways. "

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Thank God we dropped the bombs and the emporer personally announced the surrender. That's hard core.

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That's an *******.

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Imagine if we'd been allied with them.

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Imagine if we'd been allied with them.


After the Rape of Nanking?! I think not!


(BTW in the map in the first post, if you go directly northward from the "I" in Mindanao, the next island you hit is Bohol, where Lancer's winter residence is.

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After the Rape of Nanking?! I think not!


(BTW if you go directly northward from the first "I" in Mindinao, the next island you hit is Bohol, where Lancer's winter residence is.


As opposed to the Stalinist purges? The ongoing Soviet atrocities?

Ah, what might have been.

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There are, but they cant make anymore...

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how could they think the war is still going on. What war lasts 40 or more years? (aside from the 100 years war )

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Thank God we dropped the bombs and the emporer personally announced the surrender. That's hard core.


Hard core tempered by good fieldcraft, the worst combination. "Luckily" most of the hardcore were also the "charge straight up Edson's Ridge into .50s and BARs with both crossing and plunging fires and stick it to 'em with bayonets and swords" types.

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As opposed to the Stalinist purges? The ongoing Soviet atrocities?

Ah, what might have been.


"Higashi kaze ame"

More to the point, what might never have been, since the Japanese viewed us as the primary threat to their hegemony over eastern Asia, and viewed us as a key geopolitical rival since Perry's black ships.

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how could they think the war is still going on. What war lasts 40 or more years? (aside from the 100 years war )


And that little Isreali-Arab tiff.
And the Pakastanis & Indians.
And the Basques & Spanish.

Can't we all just get along.

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Why didn't the Phillipines send their Army after him?

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Why didn't the Phillipines send their Army after him?


The army was more interested in repression back then (during Marco's reign). Who cares if some Japanese coot is shooting peasants, as long as they are not revolting because of it.

 
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