28-05-2005 21:32									#1
	oh man, just came up with the perfect idea Full PM-box? Change here!

Since it's common knowledge that in here you won't get rich working, only ways is inheriting LOADS of money (damn didn't happen to me, check), the only way is to come up with a killer company. Now, selling in here is out of the question, with the high taxation that business is killed for new small time arrivals if you plan to be domestic. Manufacturing is still OK, there's something to do even though some companies are outsourcing as fast as they can, but manufacturing can be still done. One of the main reasons is there's no hidden costs. IF you do business here, there's no hidden costs. It sounds like a murder when you learn about the costs and taxes and all that, but that's it, that's the money you need to spend in order to make money, there's no surprising 'hey didn't you know this, everyone knwos you gotta pay this..'. So it's fair in a way and I like that. No hidden costs.

But as for me, I want to be rich, so the ULTIMATE goal is to set up a business and flourish. I'll work my way up there, and I need to do some work first as a.. normal worker, to get some basic capital and let the time pass a little to get strong with the business idea first and not go something face first that falls on its ass. Just me I guess.. I'm like that.. I like risk, but only calculated ones. Make the odds work for you, like casino. That's the way I like it.

Anyway, the great idea.. is not so much of an idea about.. it's not a business idea. It's more like how you set up a business. IN here, you can get starting money to set up business. Of course. It's not a lot, and we don't exactly have the capital venturists and investing business so much, but you can get little starter money from the state.

There are all kinds of funds, but the one that would work perfect is the one meant to be when unemployed person comes up with a business plan and becomes self hired. Then, the 'unemployed center' or what ever it's called gives you starting money, so you can live during the setting up and then you guys estimate how long it takes until you supposedly start making money. SO they give you the starting money to help the business, and so that you can live the time you are nto making money yet. Soudn reasonable? Yeah a good idea. Of course you can get the same start up money if you are already employed etc, but this is the easiest way to get it granted. If the business idea is even half decent, you should be able to get it, and you don't need to be a genius. The key being, you'll actually get this, if you have working brains.

Of course, there's no result you need to be delivering. Many businesses fail, so there's no point, besides it would then be something else than starters money, it would be investing with prenup. Doesn't work.

So you gather around 10 people or so, your friends, hopefully in the same field (in my case IT field). You all go, as individuals, to get that starter money. YOu set a name for yourself as self hired one man team. One is for example graphis designer, one is programmer (or more), one is for example security consultant etc.. One can be purely a business consultant. Everyone gets the money. Then you start dealing with each other, and one hires another one, one hires the two of them etc. Get all the money you can from 'hire a person, here's more support for you guys'. Just use it all.

Then when you are finally merged, like you planned to, you get 10 worth of support starter money, you get all the hiring benefits etc. Now you have even some real capital. Then you use that capital to get some essentials, adn because you're a company, you don't need to pay VAT. So you just get all kidns of crap you think you need, don't pay taxes on them. Up to this point, you only needed to fill the registering form for a business that took you 5 minutes and you should be having couple of tens of thousands of euros with no expectations of returns.

Now you can either actually try to do some work fi you feel like it, or just understand the situation that your product is not selling any, so withdraw and enjoy the benefits. It's not like you lose any money.

It's legal too .

sometimes, you gotta love the welfare state..

	28-05-2005 21:45									#2
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Of course if you have no heart at all, you can also hire few dozens of trainees and not pay them (hey you don't have to pay them in here), and get actually state again handing out some money to you for your kind action of hiring young people. Good for me good for... well me.

Let them do some work, set up few projects for them and supervise it, that is if you actually want to do working. If they come up with something, hey, awesome. You can call it the most innovative business ever, for young people, the future superstars. Hire the absolute cream of the crop, you might be getting something real. Of course they won't get any credit for it and when it's time to make them full time, you just fire them and get new ones. Just like grocery stores do in here IN REAL FREAKING LIFE.

So, now that you are only making money with no costs virtually, and not doing anything, still getting some projects done for you for free, you might start to participate, maybe you have something going on for you. If it's good stuff, hey, start doing the business then. If not, .. so what, it's not like you had to sweat to get some money, you just used some of your writing skills.

Ohh.. and this is when you also get your unemplyoed money, the whole time too

	29-05-2005 00:37									#3
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Heh, you starting up something allready?

	29-05-2005 01:40									#4
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You are really as good in business as your are about Europe.

	29-05-2005 01:59									#5
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davout, ohh did you get your panties in a twist? What do you know about my business abilities? Go cry to someone who cares about your whining.

	29-05-2005 02:10									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka What do you know about my business abilities?

I only know your perfect idea, ... and I am impressed.

	29-05-2005 02:18									#7
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That sounds like communism to me, Pekka.

	29-05-2005 02:23									#8
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joncha, no, that's scamming welfare state.

davout, what ever. If you can't handle that some people don't share your dreams and have different goals, that's fine by me. And did I say it's not actually a business idea and plan, but how to set up a business in here, with the idea of getting maximum starting money? That's how you do it if you want the maximum amount of starting money from the state. I'm sorry if it somehow offends you, but you seem to be judging people quite fast. What ever.

	29-05-2005 03:46									#9
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Who votes that Pekka should change his nick to "Capitan Insane-o".

A new dastardly plan every week.

	29-05-2005 03:52									#10
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No I won't actually do this. Even though I think the idea of the whole system is not good (welfare state), I don't think I really should abuse it, even though this would be totally legal. It woudl be different if I wanted to set up a real business with my friends, to get the starter money for each and then do merger suddenly. But since that's not about to happen, I won't try to leech money off from the state like this either. It's always away from someone else in here, and I wouldn't like to think I took money away from people like sick folks and stuff like that, when I'm already studying with tax money, even though I do have a job now and I pay taxes anyway. It just wouldn't feel right. We're not rich enough of a country for that. Would this be the US, sures