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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:35
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16-year-old confesses to brutal murder
JPost.com Staff, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 28, 2005
The 16-year-old suspect in the brutal Rehovot strangling murder of 15-year-old Ma'ayan Sapir confessed on Saturday morning, reported Army Radio.
The suspect was on vacation from a boarding facility for criminal youth, and appearantly the meeting between him and Sapir, a tenth-grade student, was random.
Local police sources said Saturday that the suspect is known to them through multiple previous criminal offenses. He was arrested at his house early Saturday morning after witnesses reported having seen him in the area of the murder.
Sapir's body was discovered Friday night in a school courtyard by a group of youths. Her body was naked, with signs of massive violence on her upper body and neck. Police later confirmed that Sapir had been strangled to death.
Sapir's body was identified Saturday morning, when her mother called to complain to police that her daughter had gone out at night and not returned by morning.
Sapir was described as an excellant student and a member of an old and well-respected local family.
Police are currently investigating whether Sapir was sexually assaulted. |
I think that it is horrible that the police doesn't keep track of known offenders as it should and allows them too much freedom.
Frankly, a good portion of murders in Israel are performed not only by repeat offenders, but usually by criminals who get prison vacation.
I think it is rediculous that people who serve time for battery and murder get vacations from prison.
While it is very humane, their verdict is not very long in any case, since judges give pathetically short verdicts in Israel, and then parole boards always shorten them. So there's no practical need for a vacation for maniacs, since they're out of prison in a jiffy any way.
I generally think the legal system in Israel is too damn lax. No one is afraid of going to jail, because it is short, and not even one bit unpleasant, as they all have cable TV and classes and what not.
It is time to get priorities straight and put the rights of violent crimes victims and their security prior to the comfort of violent maniacs.
R.I.P Maayan.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:35
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It's not necesserily connected but I heard a couple days ago that of all the murderers in Israel that were released ahead of time, only one commited another murder.
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BlackCat
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I admit that it is a horrible thing that this guy has done, but what is his crime history ? Is he a known murdere and rapist or have he been shoplifting; stealing cars; beating people to vegetables or what ?
Is there any evidence that this guy was sure to commit a murder and therefore it would have been prudent to throw away the key to his cell ?
Your story gives a high rate on frontpage score, but lacks a lot of details.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:35
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Siro, that story is so common it's sad. Hardcore criminals doing some outrageous crap like this, while on vacation from prison.... yeah.. I know about that.. 
You know the people who release prisoners on vacations shoudl be held accountable for actions like these, because clearly they are not yet suitable for vacations if they need to have one to begin with. They should be responsible, they'd think really hard if someone is OK to be released on few days out. I mean, when it's your ass on the line, you get more professional instead of 'well it's their RIGHT, i don't give a crap'.
In here, when it comes to murders, the criminals are usually the same who do it. It's a smaller circle for murders, but you see, when you have vacations, when you get out in few years, you have the time to murder more than few people. And what do the prison officials od about it, when KNOWINGLY releasing still very dangeorus killer? Nothing. They can't. I'd hate to have a job where I release someone back to society, knowing that odds are that person will kill someone in matter of weeks.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:35
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ah ok. I thought he had killed before... well anyway.. I don't know man.. to give juveniles vacation.. I can't say NO by default.. or even to all criminals in real prisons.. I think it could be used as a motivational tool for prisoners to make some goals, like rewarding them with vacations. Of course if they are dangerous, then no vacation.
as far as how to fixing these people up.. I don't know. I feel there are people who can be fixed, and then there are people who can't be fixed. LIke if you have a violent criminal.. and you supposedly fix them and they seem OK.. or better at least, and they have 'a relapse', it means someone is going to pay for it. When alcoholics have relapses, it usually just means they get wasted, have some episodes and they just mess their own lives. I'm not sure if we can risk it on with real people when we are talking about very violent criminals. I mean criminals who are clearly sick in the head, doing violent crimes because they like violense.
I feel that there are people who can't be fixed. What to do with those? I don't know. Treat them but keep them away from society as long as they are dangerous, if they are dangerous forever, them keep them away forever. No one should pay for their sickness with their own health. Maybe prison isn't the answer for genuinely sick violent people though.
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BlackCat
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Was there anything in his history that told that this guy would kill someone ?
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
What difference does that make? What kind of bassackwards rule is prison vacation? |
Yup. you are right. All that are sentenced to spend time in prison are worthless. why even bother to keep them in prison - no a quick execution is much better, then we for certain know that they won't do any harm.
We could even reduce the risk of crime by letting all people taking regular tests that checks if some people are possible lawbreakers and execute them just to be sure.
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Bereta_Eder
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If you put on a good behavior in prison you may get a leave of 24hours or such sometime in the future. It is used on the one hand as an incentive for behavioral adjustment inside prison and on the other hand for facilitating future social adjustment once out of prison.
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BlackCat
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@Fab
Common rehab procedures for prisoners is to let them get out in the society for short times. It isn't "vacation" but an effort to give them a better chance to get a life after prison.
Noone is "cured" just because they have finished their full sentence, and if you go straight from prison to common life there are a pretty high risk that you are back in prison in short time. Is it that you want ?
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
that's not a question of which one you want. Cured prisoner or someone who never was cured.
The question is if we should let out the violent criminals who are danger to the citizens. My answer is NO. Dangerous one, keep them locked up. The ones that are not so dangerous to other people and try, sure, why not. |
You are right, and that is why I asked for this persons criminal history.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
So I'm a bad person because I think someone who is put in jail for a certain amount of time should stay in jail for said amount of time?
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In no way, I agree that people sentenced should take the full punishment, but I also think that when they are nearing the end of their sentence, different measures should be made so they have a chance to cope with the change from prison to normal life.
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What I don't want is someone who will take full advantage of being on the outside because they know they'll have to go back in after the "vacation" is over. |
Meaning what ?
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28-05-2005 23:04
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