29-05-2005 22:57									#1
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quote: nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced

So do not say that something is not right with people who do not accept laws that can not be enforced. The problem is with parliamentarians who are not as smart as Einstein

	29-05-2005 23:01									#2
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Einstein: "My wife doesn't understand me".

	30-05-2005 08:00									#3
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I don't think Einstein has forseen the passge of the Sonny-Bono Extension Act, the DCMA, or similar garbage that has totally made a mockery out of copyrights. Even the Bernes Convention is absurd - lifetime + 50 years? Com'on.

	30-05-2005 10:17									#4
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It is sickenimg really. The systen has become so rigged by corporate intrests that the mechanism that is supposed to encourage creativity now stifles it.

	30-05-2005 14:21									#5
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"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today...A future start-up with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose."

-William Gates , 1991

Current biggest supporter of software patents - Microsoft . Capitalists are expected to have integrity ane be principled , not behave like this .

As for copyrignts - the current system is a perversion . Copyright should be for the lifetime of the creator + X years after his death , X being between 30 to 50 years .

	30-05-2005 15:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Wikiquotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Einstein So do not say that something is not right with people who do not accept laws that can not be enforced. The problem is with parliamentarians who are not as smart as Einstein

But he died dejected that he couldn't work into a unified theory of intellectual property.

	30-05-2005 21:06									#7
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm As for copyrignts - the current system is a perversion . Copyright should be for the lifetime of the creator + X years after his death , X being between 30 to 50 years .

That wouldn't be at all helpful to promote further creations, would it? A writer could write just one book and sit on it for the rest of his/her life.

The law gives the creator a temporary monopoly in exchange for creation of works to ultimately enrich the society as a whole. Such a long period isn't exactly temporary, and doesn't serve the intent at all.

	30-05-2005 21:22									#8
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Wikiquotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Einstein So do not say that something is not right with people who do not accept laws that can not be enforced. The problem is with parliamentarians who are not as smart as Einstein

Your quote is actually his viewpoint on Prohibition, not patent rights.

Please note that patent rights and copyrights are not the same. Copyright protection is much, much longer than patent protection. It would appear that the entertainment industry is much more influential in Washington than those which rely upon scientific creativity.

	30-05-2005 21:32									#9
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quote: Current biggest supporter of software patents - Microsoft . Capitalists are expected to have integrity ane be principled , not behave like this .

What planet do you live on?

	30-05-2005 21:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Capitalists are expected to have integrity ane be principled , not behave like this .

LOL It's the funniest thing I heard for long time.

	30-05-2005 22:37									#11
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Capitalists are expected to have integrity ane be principled , not behave like this .

Expected by whom? Certainly not Adam Smith (the author, not the poster). You Randroids are so funny.

	30-05-2005 22:49									#12
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Capitalists are expected to have integrity ane be principled , not behave like this .

Integrity denies profits.

	02-06-2005 14:34									#13
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Don't you understand that "prohibition" in general is not just ban on alcohol, but ban on one branch of market or one sort of trade goods? Think deeper!

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That wouldn't be at all helpful to promote further creations, would it? A writer could write just one book and sit on it for the rest of his/her life. The law gives the creator a temporary monopoly in exchange for creation of works to ultimately enrich the society as a whole. Such a long period isn't exactly temporary, and doesn't serve the intent at all.

As far as I know , copyright is protection offered to the creator of property in question . But once the creator is dead , he can no longer judge how his creation is used , thus it falls into the public domain . The + X years part was added to ensure that a creator could enter contracts involving his work without fearing their nullification in case he died .

So even if he creates only one thing ( which is an absolutely absurd example , creators tend to create almost irrespective of circumstances ) , he is still justified in doing so .

I personally see no flaw in such a system . Copyright is intended to protect creators from unauthorised use of their property while they are alive to judge it .



I seem to have a set a record of sorts - four consecutive comments on just one sentence which I posted .

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Anyway people who think that prohibition of one branch of the market is possible are "minimally exceptional".

Copyright protects huge corporations, not authors.

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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm As far as I know , copyright is protection offered to the creator of property in question.

Not property. It's for artistic works.

quote: Originally posted by aneeshm So even if he creates only one thing ( which is an absolutely absurd example , creators tend to create almost irrespective of circumstances ) , he is still justified in doing so.

What I am saying that is the society should not allow any single individual (this includes corporations which are legal entities) an extended period of monopoly, because that does not benefit the society as a whole.

Monopoly is bad. The society should only allow it if there is a benefit in there somewhere.

	04-06-2005 21:57									#17
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Do you beleive that prohibition laws were caused by Mafia lobby?

	05-06-2005 09:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Not property. It's for artistic works.

Which are a form of property , aren't thay ?

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What I am saying that is the society should not allow any single individual (this includes corporations which are legal entities) an extended period of monopoly, because that does not benefit the society as a whole. Monopoly is bad. The society should only allow it if there is a benefit in there somewhere.

Here I disagree . Society cannot decide how long I own something , that would be violating my rights . And again , I don;t consider monopolies bad , because if they do not satisfy the market adequately , there will always be somebody else coming across to supplant them .

Though yes , the copyrignt should not extend for more than thirty to fifty years after teh death of the original creator .

	05-06-2005 10:27									#19
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Should copyrights be transferable? They are now.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Should copyrights be transferable? They are now.

To protect publishers instead of real creators. Corporate lobby is strong.