31-05-2005 04:24									#1
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Crash.


I really enjoyed all of it. The movie portrayed the complexity of different races/ethnicities by thinking outside of the simplistic, unrealistic "black versus white" box.

Plus the fact that nearly all the characters in the movie had their own type of clay feet -- I don't recall any one of them representing the perfect hero/heroine.

	31-05-2005 05:26									#2
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I assume you're not talking about David Cronenberg's Crash

	31-05-2005 05:36									#3
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I never heard of David Cronenberg.

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Too bad.

	31-05-2005 06:56									#5
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So who is/was David Cronenberg?

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Clay feet= cement shoes?

	31-05-2005 07:37									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So who is/was David Cronenberg?

Here you go

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000343/

	31-05-2005 08:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Clay feet= cement shoes?

For a minute there I was hoping it was an artsy film where everyone litterally had clay feet. Then I figured out it was just some stupid metaphore of MrFun's.

	31-05-2005 09:09									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Plus the fact that nearly all the characters in the movie had their own type of clay feet -- I don't recall any one of them representing the perfect hero/heroine.

All good characters should have flaws and weaknesses, and the bad characters should have some endearing traits.

	31-05-2005 09:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd For a minute there I was hoping it was an artsy film where everyone litterally had clay feet. Then I figured out it was just some stupid metaphore of MrFun's.

It's not stupid metaphor. Phiolosophers and other intellectuals use this metaphor -- I certainly am not the originator of the "clay feet" metaphor.

	31-05-2005 09:21									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger All good characters should have flaws and weaknesses, and the bad characters should have some endearing traits.

And the film does both, IMO. The cop who is portrayed as racist and callously insensitive in one scene, is shown some of his softer, humane traits in another scene with his terminally-ill father.

	31-05-2005 10:01									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun It's not stupid metaphor. Phiolosophers and other intellectuals use this metaphor -- I certainly am not the originator of the "clay feet" metaphor.

Don't listen to Ludd, he's illiterate Irc, the metaphor can be found in the Bible. So its a bit worn.

	31-05-2005 12:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Crash. I really enjoyed all of it. The movie portrayed the complexity of different races/ethnicities by thinking outside of the simplistic, unrealistic "black versus white" box. Plus the fact that nearly all the characters in the movie had their own type of clay feet -- I don't recall any one of them representing the perfect hero/heroine.

Ok.....and I for one, still am clueless as to what this movie is that MrFun (and I guess you all in turn) are talking about.

Signed,

Clueless in "The City"

	31-05-2005 12:23									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich Ok.....and I for one, still am clueless as to what this movie is that MrFun (and I guess you all in turn) are talking about. Signed, Clueless in "The City"

I assume he's talking about this movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/

	31-05-2005 12:43									#15
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that movie was sick. having penetrating sex with wounds. ugh.

Canadians are weird people.

	31-05-2005 12:57									#16
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You're talking about Cronenberg's Crash. Mr Fun is talking about another movie called Crash.

	31-05-2005 13:06									#17
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that still doesn't change the fact that Canadians are weird perverts.

	31-05-2005 13:11									#18
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It costs $5 for a beer in Canada someone told me. Sick freaks.

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Crash was a fine movie, MrFun. Don't let these "XXX: State of the Union" fanboys bother you.

However, I got the feeling that everybody was perhaps a little too concerned with race than they are in the real world. Perhaps some of 'poly's Angeleno's can tell us how things are in LA in regards to race consciousness. Zkribbler? Anyone?

	31-05-2005 19:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich Ok.....and I for one, still am clueless as to what this movie is that MrFun (and I guess you all in turn) are talking about. Signed, Clueless in "The City"

Now that you followed the link provided by nostro, are you liberated from cluelessness?

	31-05-2005 19:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Crash was a fine movie, MrFun. Don't let these "XXX: State of the Union" fanboys bother you. However, I got the feeling that everybody was perhaps a little too concerned with race than they are in the real world. Perhaps some of 'poly's Angeleno's can tell us how things are in LA in regards to race consciousness. Zkribbler? Anyone?

You're right about the observation that there were some exaggerations of some of the characters' emotions.

But even if the film is not 100% realistic, we can still take the opportunity to enjoy the film. And yes, I would like to see what Zkribbler and other Angeleons think of the film -- do they think it's crap, or that it was fairly good?

	31-05-2005 23:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Crash was a fine movie, MrFun. Don't let these "XXX: State of the Union" fanboys bother you. However, I got the feeling that everybody was perhaps a little too concerned with race than they are in the real world. Perhaps some of 'poly's Angeleno's can tell us how things are in LA in regards to race consciousness. Zkribbler? Anyone?

Has anyone seen Grand Canyon? I always felt race was too big an issue in that film as well. But it's what the film was about, so they couldn't ignore it.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident that movie was sick. having penetrating sex with wounds. ugh.

But it was interesting. Before I saw it, I thought I'd seen it all. But no, it proved me wrong. Btw, its an adaptation of Ballards book, Crash. And Ballard isn't a Canadian, he's a Brit.

quote: Canadians are weird people.

I would say that there are a lot more weirdos in the States. A while ago, I started a thread on this. Cronenberg also adapted Burroughs' Naked Lunch, a good example of an American weirdo.

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here's a weird American

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