01-06-2005 00:22									#1
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Probably one of the first series of books to ever allow me to completely geek out. I loved them, but I am scared. Disney totally ruined "A Wrinkle in Time" and now this?

It's not like The Black Cauldron cartoonish crap where it doesn't really matter because the series (Chronicals of Prydain) is left in tact, but it seems to me that Disney wants to utterly destroy the whole series, or at least threaten to.

What do you think?

http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/narnia/index.html

Oh, and they are calling it "The Chronicals of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" for all you Star Wars haters.

	01-06-2005 00:26									#2
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Yes.

	01-06-2005 00:26									#3
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This was already made into a movie, was it not? I remember watching it on VHS as a kid. I loved it.

edit: I watched a cartoon version

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	01-06-2005 00:27									#5
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quote: This was already made into a movie, was it not? I remember watching it on VHS as a kid. I loved it.

I only remember a cartoon version.

	01-06-2005 00:30									#6
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I saw the trailer in front of SW3 and they don't give enough detail to get a sense of where they are going with it. I didn't get the tingling feeling at the back of my neck that I got while watching anything LotR related.

It seems like an impossible series to really screw up, but several versions in the past have been disappointing. I think there was a live action BBC (?) version which had limited believability, to be charitable.

Unfortunately, I don't really trust Disney to do a good job with this. What was the last Disney movie that was really amazing? In the meantime, they have put out a lot of pretty crappy stuff.

	01-06-2005 00:31									#7
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quote: Unfortunately, I don't really trust Disney to do a good job with this. What was the last Disney movie that was really amazing?

Apart from Pixar?

Pirates of Caribbean?

	01-06-2005 00:34									#8
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Pixar isn't Disney.

Pirates of the Caribbean was amusing, but not really amazing. Narnia is golden material. A foundational series of books in Sci Fi/Fantasy. To be anything less than really amazing would be a disappointment. LotR was just amazing enough not to be incredibly disappointing.

	01-06-2005 00:37									#9
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seen both movie and cartoon version .. liked it when I was a kid, liked it a lot. One of my favourite stories.

Yes, Disney will most likely not do enough justice to this.

	01-06-2005 00:39									#10
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And let me be the first to say that Tolkien is probably spinning in his grave that his best friend's novels are being made into movies by Disney.

	01-06-2005 00:42									#11
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I wonder if they'll leave all the religious undertones in it or not...

I need to reread those books, it's been some time.

Oh to be Prince Caspian.

	01-06-2005 00:44									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I wonder if they'll leave all the religious undertones in it or not...

That's a really good question. It would seem hard to leave the christian references out or play them down. Unless you want to leave out the whole Aslan character and leave out the sacrifice part at the end.

	01-06-2005 00:45									#13
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They'd take a lot of flak if they left them in the last book, though

	01-06-2005 02:14									#14
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Hollywood always has the potential of screwing up anything it touches.

Just take a look at what it did to the last "Planet of the Apes." Somewhere Charton Heston is screaming, "Get your paws off my movie, you damned stinkin' apes!'

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The question is not can they, but will they?

	01-06-2005 04:23									#16
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Narnia is the first fantasy book I ever read. I was fascinated. The next was the Silmarillion, after I had turned 18.

They probably thought that if they succeed, they can always shoot books 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 of the Narnia series.

But of course they will **** it up.

IMO, and I know that most will disagree, the best book is #3, the Horse and his Boy. A side story actually, but it's free of most of Lewis's regular bullshit. I hope they make it into a film as well.

Perhaps the Prince of the Calormenes will look a little bit like Ossama?

	01-06-2005 04:29									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It seems like an impossible series to really screw up, but several versions in the past have been disappointing. I think there was a live action BBC (?) version which had limited believability, to be charitable.

It's a story about finding a land, run by a lion, in the back of a wardrobe, and you're talking about 'limited believability' Dan, you're precious

	01-06-2005 06:33									#18
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I don't think the Christian overtones really matter. I read the whole series in middle school, and I did not get a single Christian allegory. That's the beauty of allegory- if you really don't care or know what the allegory is about, you will never see it and can enjoy the book/movie blissfully ignorant.

	01-06-2005 08:53									#19
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I don't get this utter sense of dread. So many people were convinced that Peter Jackson was going to **** up LOTR on the big screen. From the trailer, I thought it looked amazing, and Disney was behind "Pirates of the Carribean", which WAS an amazing movie (though it may be too much to get Johnny Depp to play a character in this one ), so I don't fear this adaptation.

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Tilda Swinton (I think that is how you spell her name) plays the Witch. She seems a good choice for the role. The Lion CGI does look, well, like CGI. BUt I don't mind too much.

	01-06-2005 14:13									#21
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I saw a mini-series version of The Witch and the Wardrobe as a kid, and liked it well enough ...

Disney is fully capable of screwing anything up*, but I'm fairly optimistic about this. About the only bad vibe from the trailer was the massed fight scenes - they might've decided to turn it into an action movie ...

* I'm sure they could make a non-sexy movie about lesbian supermodels trapped on a tropical paradise island.

	01-06-2005 16:01									#22
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I don't think the Christian overtones really matter. I read the whole series in middle school, and I did not get a single Christian allegory. That's the beauty of allegory- if you really don't care or know what the allegory is about, you will never see it and can enjoy the book/movie blissfully ignorant.

Wow. The "Christians are good, Muslims worship Satan" message in the last one is really strong. If they left that message in there when they made that movie, Disney would take a lot of criticism.

	02-06-2005 07:44									#23
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I'll reserve judgement.

	02-06-2005 12:21									#24
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Tilda Swinton (I think that is how you spell her name) plays the Witch. She seems a good choice for the role.

I agree, no acting required for Tilda in this role.

	02-06-2005 16:53									#25
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Disney managed it with the Alice books.


How to completely remove the charm, quirkiness and wonder from a book by making it into a cartoon about what looks like an intellectually challenged cheer leader in an apron.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Wow. The "Christians are good, Muslims worship Satan" message in the last one is really strong. If they left that message in there when they made that movie, Disney would take a lot of criticism.

Uh...Muslims? The Calormenes might be racial stereotypes, but I've never heard of Muslims worshipping statues the way they did. If anything, The Last Battle is insulting to Hindus. And it's got its ecumenist touches, as in Emeth. The whole idea behind him was mildly patronizing, I suppose, but ultimately he was meant to express that the direction of worship doesn't matter so much as the attitude and intention. Disney might just play Emeth up like nobody's business and get away with TLB. Mind you, I have no doubt that they can screw this up, though I haven't seen any trailers.

The Horse and his Boy is my favorite too, though the religious allegory is just as present in that as it is in the others. It's just a bit more subtle there.