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Warlords of China is almost done, and in order to motivate myself to finish it this summer, I am, against my better judgement, starting this thread. A few more units and some other art, and a few final events, and I'll be ready to send it out for playtesting.

The scenario is set in 20's and 30's China, where central authority has been destroyed and warlords struggle for supremacy. The Koumintang and the Communists are allied against the warlords - for now. And in the wings, the Kwantung Army waits for an opportunity to conquer a divided China.

Warlord armies are made up of infantry, mortars, machine guns and artillery, along with exotic interwar tanks, armored cars and aircraft purchased from abroad. In the wake of their defeat by the Reds, White Russian infantry, cavalry and armored trains serve as mercenaries. Later, military advisors from the Bolsheviks and the Weimar Republic are available - to the skillful negotiator.

Minor warlords are represented by barbarians, as are bandits, pirates and mongol raiders. Special units like Tong gangsters, opium merchants, commissars and spies give a "pulp fiction" atmosphere to the scenario.

Unit art is split between Fairline and myself. I'm doing most of the figures, Gareth is doing most of the aircraft and vehicles. Here is a sample of some of the units I've made. They are: pirate, White Russian infantry, bandit, People's Liberation Army, warlord infantry, executioner, Japanese naval landing force, and warlord.

More later.

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Finally Canīt wait any longer, Brian

Some more information/teasers?

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Thanks Stephan.

I'll try to put up some screenshots tomorrow. In the meantime, I can tell you that it's suitable for multi-player and single player, and all civs are playable. The Civs are: Koumintang, Communists, Fengtien Faction (warlord), Chihili Clique (warlord), League of 5 Provinces (warlord), Kuominchun Clique (warlord) and the Kwantung Army (Japan).

It runs from July 1916 to July 1937, the time of the Incident at the Marco Polo Bridge, when the Japanese launched the all out war against China. It is, of course, made for Test of Time.

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Techumseh it sounds like you're going to do a pretty good job in this scenario of simulating the intense multi front civil war like conflict that raged through China in the era.

Those are some pretty nice infantry you released there too. I can't wait to see what these interwar tanks and foreign purchased aircraft ook like. What kind of a map will you be using? Will it be a new map made just for Warlords of China?

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Yes, it's a made-for-the-scenario map of China, Mongolia, Korea and Formosa. When I started work on this long ago, Tim Smith (hi-res mod) made a wonderful Great Wall terrain for me - just before he moved to China!

Modern foreign units cannot be built, but are delivered in small numbers via events to the civ that first discovered the corresponding technology. So it's a bit of a race combined with strategy.

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I've been looking forward to this one for a Loooooong time.

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True quality takes time, and by that, we can expect a real winner here!

Can't wait!

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Here's a couple of screenies. The first is forces of the Chihili Clique, under Wu Pei-Fu (The Jade Marshal), forcing a crossing of the Yangtze River to attack a Communist base area. They are supported by a Vickers Vimy bomber, and a Char St. Chamond tank.

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oops.....

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This one shows an amphibious attack by the Kwantung Army on the Shantung penninsula. Naval landing forces backed up by air and naval forces attempt to take control from Chang Ts'ung-chang (the Dog Meat General) who defends with infantry and pirates while bringing up an armored train.

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Very glad to see this Tech!

Were the naval forces commanded by Adm Alpo?

I understand, Fairline, that Chinese and Turkish armoured trains looked very similar.

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Were the naval forces commanded by Adm Alpo?


No, Commodore Kibbles.

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psst - cntrl-z makes civ look a lot better

@Boco: send me an e-mail with your latest units Dave, your armoured train is long overdue on platform 1.

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This one shows an amphibious attack by the Kwantung Army on the Shantung penninsula. Naval landing forces backed up by air and naval forces attempt to take control from Chang Ts'ung-chang (the Dog Meat General) who defends with infantry and pirates while bringing up an armored train.


Are trains going to be confined to railroads as in Red October?

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Yes. This was really intended as a companion piece for Red October.

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The great wall-graphic looks awesome (well all of it does, but I just noticed it in the screenie)!

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Here's a better look. The forces of Feng Yu-hsiang (The Christian Warlord) attack Mao Tse-Tung from the south, while bandits and Mongol raiders close in from the north.

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West Shanxi Area ought to be rennamed Yan'an, which was the main Communist base after the Long March.

Other than that names are on target, you even got the romanization method used int hat period right.

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TsingTao Beer was founded in Qingdao China by Germans in 1903. Qingdao had been a German colony since 1898, when the Chinese government was forced to grant Germany a 99-year lease. The Chinese government had been pressured to grant German control of the city after two German missionaries were murdered in the region. Qingdao became Germany's largest military force in the region, garrisoning 4,000 troops and hosting a navel base. The original brewery sat across the street from a park where German soldiers were quartered. In the early 20th century beer was not a popular drink in China, but the demand of the German population made opening TsingTao Beer brewery a necessary. [source 1] In September of 1914 the Germans garrison in Qingdao was attacked by a Japanese invasion involving 23,000 men. The German garrison was able to hold back the Japanese attack for 2 months, but eventually lost control. In January of 1915 the Chinese entered an agreement with Japan that would eventually revert back control of Qingdao. The Germans were gone, but they had left a brewery that would eventually grow into a symbol of Chinese pride.




[Edit]PETA's going to shut down this forum! First curtsibling has Nazi's shooting and bombing deer. Now you have cossacks trampling them!

Btw, the map looks like you put a lot of thought into it — e.g. nice city density, inner Mongolia looks hard to traverse. [/Edit]

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I can see my camel needs some work.

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psst - shift-z makes it look even better.

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That's what I meant

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I can see my camel needs some work.




er, uh, I think I mistook dither for antlers for the one in the Gobi. Camels in the Gobi? Must be rare, but surely everyone knows about the Gobi Ibex!

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Do you have all your tech trees in place?

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Perhaps it is PETA that should be the target!

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Yup. It's very simple actually. You research arms deal techs with the British/French, White Russians, Germans/Italians, Americans, and/or Soviets. These serve as one set of pre-reqs. The other half of the pre-reqs are given every 5 years: Late 10's, Early and Late Twenties and Early and Late Thirties.

So on Jan 1925 you automatically get the Late 20's tech, along with everyone else. If you've researched an arms deal with the Germans/Italians, you now have both pre-requisites for the Junkers K53 tech. Whoever researches this tech first, gets 3 of the aircraft units delivered at his capital the next turn. Anyone who researches this tech later, gets nothing.

Similar events exist for all types of hardware from the various arms suppliers. This is the only way to get these types of units, they can't be built or replaced. The Kwantung Army (Japanese) have a separate tech tree for their heavy equipment, while the Communists just get money from Stalin.

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So on Jan 1925 you automatically get the Late 20's tech, along with everyone else. If you've researched an arms deal with the Germans/Italians, you now have both pre-requisites for the Junkers K53 tech. Whoever researches this tech first, gets 3 of the aircraft units delivered at his capital the next turn. Anyone who researches this tech later, gets nothing.

This should be fun, this winner-take-all reminds me of the tension you get racing to build WoW's in vanilla Civ2!

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This should be fun, this winner-take-all reminds me of the tension you get racing to build WoW's in vanilla Civ2!


My thought exactly: this sounds like huge fun!

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is this a good naval unit for your scen?

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What ship is it, BE? Also, what period?

 
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