01-06-2005 22:34									#1
	What would your vote be for the european constitution? Remove this text

Well, what would your vote be?

	01-06-2005 23:14									#2
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Either "Yes" or "Blank". Yes because I don't like the current Nice stuff, and because I think the con is an improvement in some aspects compared to Nice. Blank because I think some criticism is valid (but not everything sold as criticism is).

	01-06-2005 23:29									#3
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We're voting on it this September, and it'll be the 6th national referendum on EU in which I'm voting. (Previous referenda were in 1972 (I was too young then), 1986, 92, 93, 98 and 2000)

For the first time in those 6 referenda, I'll be voting NO - despite my party's pro-constitution stance.

I'm opposed to the idea of a joint constitution, and I believe the EU has already reached a sufficient stage of political integration between member states without the constitution treaty.

I'm also increasingly wary of the cultural elitists' declared agenda of trying to mold the EU into something it was never intended to be, namely an opposing political entity towards the USA. An agenda which is often boasted, more or less openly, in favour of the constitution treaty in the domestic debate. I'm not having any of that.

	01-06-2005 23:52									#4
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While I know this treaty isnīt perfect Iīm voting yes. Because I really donīt see an alternative. A real " US style constitution" couldnīt work properly without totally giving up your own national constitution. That just isnīt possible in Europe, the Brits know it, the French know it and the Dutch with our "grondwet" know it too. Weīll have to take it and work from there.


To others this comprise may be a bunch of diplomatic legalese with some claptrap but i also see people.


*Just edited some bizarre freudian slip of the keyboard

	01-06-2005 23:52									#5
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other country - no

	01-06-2005 23:53									#6
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I'm against the EU in general. I think it's a bad idea and will not succeed. So, sure, a constitution sounds great! Only leads to your eventual demise

	01-06-2005 23:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia other country

I disagree.

But then the last six poll options really don't make much sense... the distinction should be EU countries, not European countries

	02-06-2005 00:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar quote: I believe the EU has already reached a sufficient stage of political integration between member states without the constitution treaty. The EU has become one nation already? I missed the news.

In all my life, I've never heard anyone being in favour of that.

	02-06-2005 00:08									#9
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currently - no, after modifications - yes.

	02-06-2005 00:09									#10
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Yes, to sabotage you guys

	02-06-2005 00:23									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka currently - no, after modifications - yes.

	02-06-2005 00:26									#12
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Whatever result keeps the Euros economically and geopolitically weaker.

	02-06-2005 00:34									#13
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MtG

	02-06-2005 00:46									#14
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I would have voted NO*, but after hearing the French ***** and moan about how the whole constitution is an Anglo-Saxon plot to subjugate Europe to free market liberal policies I swung over to the YES camp.

*The whole thing is just too verbose and should be a simple framework.

	02-06-2005 01:05									#15
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No or blank. I like the idea of a constitution, but this one is BS.

	02-06-2005 01:16									#16
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If I were European I would have voted no. A Constitution is something that it is important to get right the first time and this Constitution was bad.

	02-06-2005 01:51									#17
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Well, what would your vote be?

if I had to live under it no, otherwise yes

	02-06-2005 02:32									#18
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Do we even have Italian posters here?

"NO"

	02-06-2005 02:36									#19
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I'd vote YES

	02-06-2005 02:45									#20
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I voted banana 'pro' because anything that comes between euros and killing each other, and us, is a good thing for the US.

	02-06-2005 02:58									#21
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If you guys are concerned with whether or not the EU constitution favors your particular political leaning, why not include a mechanism of amending it?

BTW, for those who dote on how smoothly the nascent US of A adopted it's constitution, remember that the US actually had an entirely different constitution initially, but was forced to scrap it after only a few years. Perhaps the EU could adopt a "trial constitution" one requiring re-ratification after 5 to 10 years. Of course, that allows particularily willful nationalities to hold the entire body politic hostage by threatening to sabotage the ratification process, a state not unlike the current predicament. Let's face it, you're just not ready for it. You don't have sufficient unity.

	02-06-2005 02:59									#22
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Yeah, If we started killing each other, y'all have to come over again. It's tradition.

	02-06-2005 03:02									#23
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alva, that's right. However you euros wouldn't owe us any thanks as we would be doing it for ourselves.

At this point however, the Germans can have Fwance, we be down with that.

	02-06-2005 03:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by alva Yeah, If we started killing each other, y'all have to come over again. It's tradition.

We need Topol to come by and sing a rousing version of "Tradition".

	02-06-2005 11:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Whatever result keeps the Euros economically and geopolitically weaker.

There's no need to worry then, we are perfectly capable to remain weak without outside help.

	02-06-2005 11:46									#26
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Turkey - yes

	02-06-2005 12:31									#27
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After watching the ambassador of the EU on the Newshour tonight I now see why Brussels is so hated. He was there presumably to simply waste the time of the interviewer while ensuring that no one with a contradicting viewpoint got to be interviewed instead. A doublespeak filibuster. If he's the sort who regularly comes out of Brussels then I think that not only a no vote is in order, but perhaps a complete rethinking of the current treaties as well.

	02-06-2005 12:42									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Whatever result keeps the Euros economically and geopolitically weaker.

Don't worry. You're going to get your wish no matter what they decide to do.

	02-06-2005 13:15									#29
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no to this, no to the euro.

not that we'll ever get a vote on it over here :/

	02-06-2005 13:32									#30
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