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Radio news and the voiceless left Put an end to popups!

I'm now living just outside of Corpus Christi, Texas. It's disturbing too me that on the drive to work and home the only news sources I can find are NPR news and serious right-wing opinion shows that pass for news. I'm not saying that these people should not have a voice. It's just that the people on the shows offer no counterpoint and very little to support their opinions. Just yesterday the radio person refers to Kerry as "Senator Flip-Flopper" and Al Sharpton as "Not so Sharpton" then told us that these two people THOUGHT it was okay and WANTED everyone to be welfare waiting for government handouts and that these people WANTED to take money out of the radio audience pockets and give it to the people who were too lazy too work. I don't recall any of these men ever saying that!
Then they went on to discuss Micheal Jackson. I'm not going to tell you what was said about him as I really don't care about him or the verdict. I will just point out that his case and Kobe Bryants case recieved more coverage and mention than Robert Blake's case in which a woman was murdered. Makes no sense.
I will also concede that the left is not always right and the right is not always wrong but if there is no actual conversation on the issues then the truth will always have trouble coming to light.

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"Not so Sharpton"


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Feel free to start your own liberal radio station if you don't like it.

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I don't want to start a liberal radio station. I want the radio and tv stations we have to report news in an unbiased manner. I don't want propaganda. I want news!

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I don't want to start a liberal radio station. I want the radio and tv stations we have to report news in an unbiased manner. I don't want propaganda. I want news!


Hate to burst your bubble but; news = propaganda

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i dont mind bursting bubbles...it is great when taking a bath...

NEWS DOESNT EXIST


IT IS ALL PART OF A BIG CONSPIRACY TO MAKE ME THE KING OF THIS UNIVERSE....
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I don't want to start a liberal radio station. I want the radio and tv stations we have to report news in an unbiased manner. I don't want propaganda. I want news!


Then feel free to start your own news channel. These radio shows exist because people want to listen to them, and so it's profitable to produce them.

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Hate to burst your bubble but; news = propaganda

No it doesn't!
Yes it does!
News can be spun into propaganda but it does not have to end up as propaganda.
When reporting who, where, when, and what you can just state the facts. You can also give opinion and counter opinion and it's still not propaganda.
It starts to become propaganda when you have stories with equal news value and you only report the one that will promote your PERSONAL agenda. Not the interest of the people. In america the FCC gives permission to radio stations to operate in the publics best interests. It's not in the publics best interest for these stations to attempt to brainwash the masses. So if I become aware that one of these stations charter is under review I will protest.

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I never said what news could be, I merely stated what it is.

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I agree with the OP. We need a real liberal voice in talk radio; TV and the print media just aren't enough.

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http://www.airamericaradio.com/

Hey, look at that:

Corpus Christi, TX - KCCT 1150 AM

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http://www.airamericaradio.com/

Hey, look at that:

Corpus Christi, TX - KCCT 1150 AM

Did I say we needed a liberal show or unbiased media?

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Facts by themselves, are usually divorced from context, and thus become meaningless. Media always has bias. It's better to have all the biases covered, rather than having biased media pretending it isn't.

In the U.S. we have media with two biases: far-right and center-right. The far-right likes to call the center-right liberal.

For a liberal media try Air America and the Atlanta Constitution-Journal and salon.com

For progressive media try:
http://www.thenation.com/
http://www.pacifica.org/
http://www.fair.org/

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Did I say we needed a liberal show or unbiased media?


One you can have, the other you can't.

Would you rather have complete right-wing bias domination of the radio in your area, or an alternative?

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I'd much rather have NPR than left-wing versions of Rush et al. like Air America. Left wing radio when it's reasonable and informative (and not infotainment), like Democracy Now is pretty good, though.

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Pacifica, theNationRadio, and CounterSpin are all better than DemocracyNow. CounterSpin rulez!

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Never heard 'em.

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The Return of Deep Throat
Now he's a mainstream journalist, leaking stories to the alternative press

Extra! March/April 2005

By Dave Lindorff

I remember the excitement I felt some years ago, working in Los Angeles at the L.A. Daily News or at TV station KCET, as I’d pursue a hot story—the corruption of a blatantly racist school board member, say, or the shooting of unarmed people by the LAPD. There was always the story itself, of course, but there was also the sense that if you didn’t get it in and get it right, you’d be beaten by the competition—usually the L.A. Times, in my case, or one of the local TV stations, which back in the 1970s still did a little investigative reporting of their own.

Those days are pretty much gone. TV stations in most cities don’t do much enterprise reporting, preferring to go with whatever the police have on the blotter. And newspaper competition in most communities is a thing of the past.

Ironically, though bad for the public, the loss of an aggressive media has been my gain as a freelance journalist.

A tip about TIPS

Over the past three years or so, most of my best investigative stories have come to me courtesy of a frustrated editor at a major metropolitan daily—a principled and well-informed guy who has tried repeatedly to interest the paper’s higher-ups in big stories, only to have them ignored. That’s when he calls me with his tips.

The first time this happened was back in 2002, when my old friend sent an email with a link to a Justice Department website inviting American citizens to sign up as volunteer spies in Attorney General John Ashcroft’s “Operation TIPS.” “I think you should look into this,” my friend wrote.

Ashcroft, I learned, hoped these volunteers would become an army of 20 million citizen-spies, keeping track of and reporting on their neighbors. I signed up as a volunteer, and began investigating the program from the inside. When I experimentally tried to call in some bogus reports on neighbors, I discovered that the Justice Department was having its TIPS volunteer spies turn their raw reports on suspicious neighbors over, not to the FBI, but to the Fox network’s crime-stopper show, America’s Most Wanted!

It was a shocking exposé, which turned into a major story in Salon (8/7/02), the online magazine. CBS News (8/8/02) picked up my Salon piece and did a story based on an interview with me. People in Congress, particularly Republicans led by Rep. Dick Armey (R.-Texas), went ballistic and killed all funding for the program.

A little later, my friend was back, this time with a tip that a couple of anti-war activists had been barred from getting on a plane after the check-in clerk told them they were on a “no-fly” list. “You should look into this,” he wrote again.

I did—and found someone at the new Transportation Security Administration who admitted not only that there was a list of 1,000 or so people barred from planes as “threats to aviation,” but that there was another list, of undetermined length, of people who would be allowed to fly, but who would be harassed mercilessly each time they did so. As I looked further into this, it became apparent that the people on the second list were mostly peace activists—students, lawyers, nuns, etc.—not threats to aviation, just to administration war policy. The story, like the earlier one, ran in Salon (11/15/02) and also In These Times (11/27/02), after which it was picked up by the national and international media.

My friend’s newspaper, which could have had both these scoops, lost out for lack of interest.

Too-hot scoops

Over the subsequent two years, my source has repeatedly tried and failed to sell his fellow editors on stories ranging from secret Pentagon efforts to resurrect the draft (Salon, 11/3/03) to the Secret Service’s efforts to bar protesters from presidential appearances (Salon, 10/16/03). In each case, after failing to elicit any interest from his publication, my source has graciously passed his information on to me, and I’ve been able to run with it.

The message is clear. The mainstream media are deluged with tips about important stories that the public needs to know about, but timid, lazy and budget-conscious editors simply let them pass, perhaps unwilling to incur the wrath of the administration or its allied media pressure groups. Reporters at most media corporations quickly learn that they don’t get raises or promotions for pushing these kinds of edgy pieces.

Such stories are left, instead, to the alternative media, where I and many of my more dogged colleagues end up running most of our work. It represents a remarkable reversal of the days when reporters dreamed of finding their own Deep Throat whose leaks would enable them to break big stories. Now it seems like mainstream journalists are forced to turn themselves into Deep Throat—leaking hot stories to the alternative press that their own outlets have no interest in covering.

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I agree with the OP. We need a real liberal voice in talk radio; TV and the print media just aren't enough.


Ha! Ha! Ha! Hey, that's so good, Drake, I'll pass it on to my corporate bosses. They'll get a kick out of it, too.

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Liberal talk radio doesn't exist because there's no audience for it- why listen to people complaining about stuff when you can listen to music instead?

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I don't want to start a liberal radio station. I want the radio and tv stations we have to report news in an unbiased manner. I don't want propaganda. I want news!


so you want goverment control over the airwaves then.

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and normal people listen to music in their cars. . go to the internet for news.

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I listen to the Jazz station where everyone is cool 24/7. Dig?

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Ha! Ha! Ha! Hey, that's so good, Drake, I'll pass it on to my corporate bosses. They'll get a kick out of it, too.


What's so hilarious about the idea of liberal talk radio? It might be able to succeed if it were run competently, unlike Air America.

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quote:
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Liberal talk radio doesn't exist because there's no audience for it- why listen to people complaining about stuff when you can listen to music instead?

Are you saying that the right-wing media orgs don't spend lots of time complaining even when they're getting there way. I would have to disagree. Right-wing media complains especially when they get there way so it always seems that they are never getting there way. An example of this is when the right-wing media constantly refers to media in general as left-wing even though they are the primary media.

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so you want goverment control over the airwaves then.
No. I want the opposite. What's going on right now is basic government control of most media.

 
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