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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:24
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The archives are there |
Now you're being deceptive. You know full well EVC goes well back before the archives do. The threads you have given are from when he was Thorn. You can pretend he was always as he was then, but you know that he was different when he was still EVC, and that people were much nastier to him back then.
As I said, you've already admitted in this thread you're behavior to him, if you didn't know he was mentally ill, your actions to him would have been sociopathic. If it were a just few offhand comments, why would you even say you almost felt bad? Why would you say your behavior would be sociopathic if you were just joking around?
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You're a liar and a hypocrite. |
And you lack reading comprehension. Read what I said earlier about not claiming the moral highground. The thing is that you went here on a thread when he talked about a severe problem he was having, and you went up to him and told him you didn't feel bad about making fun of him. That's a nasty thing to do, and if you were a decent person you could have refrained from saying anything about your past and simply wished him luck with his new crisis.
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No it wasn't. You'll notice a huge retinue of names laughing along. Including a few moderators. Including you. It was so obvious, wasn't it? |
I was playing along with EVC on that last thread. And if I ever hurt him I apologize, but as I have said I have actually made an effort to try to help him and work things out.
Except as I said, you know those posts aren't representative of his posting career. He used to be a self-proclaimed fascist with very extreme and repressive views, and was extremely homophobic. Think about the type of poster you are. Knowing how you apt you are to insult people in arguments, it would be inconsistent with your posting career if you didn't react in a vitrolic manner.
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Lazarus and the Gimp
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Whale-raping abomination
Aug 2000
time: 05:24
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Why would you say your behavior would be sociopathic if you were just joking around?
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Because, you cretin, I don't poke fun at the mentally ill. I also take a very dim view of those who do.
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And you lack reading comprehension. Read what I said earlier about not claiming the moral highground. The thing is that you went here on a thread when he talked about a severe problem he was having, and you went up to him and told him you didn't feel bad about making fun of him. That's a nasty thing to do, and if you were a decent person you could have refrained from saying anything about your past and simply wished him luck with his new crisis.
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Put in context. I wished him luck. And yes, you're stampeding for the moral high ground. Still, I don't feel sorry for two very good reasons. Pay attention-
1- I had no idea he was unwell. You did, I didn't.
2- My good-natured joshing was no worse than yours. As I've demonstrated.
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I was playing along with EVC on that last thread. And if I ever hurt him I apologize, but as I have said I have actually made an effort to try to help him and work things out.
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http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...26&pagenumber=1
There's another. That's right. It's OK for you, but not anyone else, isn't it? Oh, sure, it's nothing serious, but then again nor was anything I posted.
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Except as I said, you know those posts aren't representative of his posting career. He used to be a self-proclaimed fascist with very extreme and repressive views, and was extremely homophobic. Think about the type of poster you are. Knowing how you apt you are to insult people in arguments, it would be inconsistent with your posting career if you didn't react in a vitrolic manner. |
Except I didn't, because he was very obviously a cartoon comedy act, which I heartily appreciated.
The bottom line is that you have accused me of "harrassing" him, and "continually hurling vitriol" at him, and both accusations are flatly untrue. The only place they took place are in the largely unused grey soup between your ears. The archives bear me up, and reflect the fact that I was joshing him no more severely than you (and you apparently knew he had mental issues at the time, which I didn't), or the moderators of this site. Take a trawl.
You will find no harrassment, because I've never harrassed him.
You will find no vitriol, because his entertainment was one factor that kept me posting here.
Now you can stop squirming around and trying some sort of Stalinist re-writing of history, because you're just disappearing into some sort of fantasy. And you can ****ing apologise for that series of slanders before you give yourself any sort of claim to the moral high ground.
Last edited by Lazarus and the Gimp on 04-06-2005 at 20:34
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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:24
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1- I had no idea he was unwell. You did, I didn't. |
If you don't suspect anything based on someone who starts a flame war with his own DL, who claims to be in love with a nazi ghost, you're dense beyond words. To say that you had no idea that he could be ill until now is simply not credible.
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There's another. That's right. It's OK for you, but not anyone else, isn't it? |
So lets see what you have on me:
1) I played along with him on one his threads.
2) I described his posts as being in an entirely other catergory then spam.
That's pathetic. That's the weakest POS indictment ever. How many times do you have me insulting him? Zero. How many times do you have me mocking him? Zero.
But you know what? If that was enough to hurt him, then I apologize. You won't, and you made the effort to say so that you didn't feel bad.
By the way, I also helped EVC out by uncovering that his Login had been stolen, by asking the person who had his login to relay me an ICQ message I had sent him- which as he wasn't EVC he didn't have, thus stopping AH from continuing on impersonating EVC.
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The archives bear me up |
Read Thorn's registration date. It says 1999. The archives go back no further then 2002. EVC had ceased to be a regular by 2002.
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Except I didn't, because he was very obviously a cartoon comedy act, which I heartily appreciated. |
So you heartily appreciated a cartoon comedy act which included very strong homophobia? Anybody who has known you long enough knows that is simply not believable.
Let's make this simple. The archives do not go back any further then 2002. Neither of us can prove what went on. But what we do have is this thread. And in this thread, after EVC announced he was going through a crisis, you choose to make a statement right here and now that you didn't feel bad about mocking a mentally ill person. That's why I went after you here, because you chose his moment of crisis to make a jackass statement like that. Think how you would feel if someone who had mistreated you were later to say you he felt no remorse over what he did.
You can make up whatever lies you want about pre-2002 EVC, or you can suggest you didn't know about mental illness, but in this very thread we have you still act like a complete jerk to him on the very second post of this thread, and that we have for a record.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If you don't suspect anything based on someone who starts a flame war with his own DL, who claims to be in love with a nazi ghost, you're dense beyond words. To say that you had no idea that he could be ill until now is simply not credible.
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Oh please. I didn't suspect he was mentally ill, because I saw most of what he posted as a comedy act. Do you think Zylka is mentally ill (well, even if you do, he isn't, at least not to the degree of disability)?
I even exchanged pms with him a little, and he came across as perfectly rational in them, which further reinforced my perception that his persona in the forums was an act meant for entertainment.
Assuming people on a message board are mentally ill because they post wacky, attention-grabbing stuff would require one to assume almost everyone is mentally ill.
EVC posted a shitload of stuff that was meant to be attention-getting fun, and he got it. I sincerely doubt that the playing along by Laz and everyone else caused him any further mental anguish. He was probably just happy to have people who would respond to him.
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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:24
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Now, Lazarus, you are claiming you had no idea he was mentally ill. But from one of your links, from EVC:
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(5 total years) Fascist, Angry, Homophobic, Terrorist --> real life problems with the police, peers afraid --> (1.5 years ago) self discovery of bisexuality --> Isolation from peers, loss of friends, Depression begins --> Suicide Attempt --> Treatment with professionals: therapy and medication--> I go Psychotic --> a few more suicide attempts. --> Depression worsens --> ON TO THE NEW STUFF: |
Kind of throws your whole pathetic "I had no idea he was ill" line out the window doesn't it?
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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:24
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"Not in the slightest. You'll notice he's still claiming to be a terrorist in it. "
That's BS. Are you taking the fact that he is saying outrageous things to be evidence that he isn't ill? I'd think exactly the opposite. He claimed on at least two Occasions to be mentally ill, and yet you claimed you had no idea. That puts a lot of doubt on your credibility.
We have him arguing with his DL, falling in love with a ghost, and admitting twice that he has problems. And you had no suspicion at all that he might indeed have problems. This is total BS.
" You also have been shown to have participated in the joshing you now rabidly condemn. That makes you a hypocrite."
Again, look at the stuff on that post. How many insults on those threads did you see? On the other hand, in your link you said:
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Really? Which one's in control now?
Mr "Evan on Thursday", "Gay Evan" or "ARRRGGGHHH!!! MAY ALIENS POKE OUT YOUR EYES!!!" Evan? |
That sounds alot more like mocking to me.
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All you've got to back up your accusations that I've been "harassing" and "continually hurling vitriol" are you own frothings. |
I apologize if it is the case that I am not remembering the original era of EVC correctly, but I really don't think that is the case at all. But I have alot more then my own "frothings", I have your own statement that you made fun of him and that your behavior would be consisdered "sociopathic" if you had known the truth about him.
But as I said, it is not sociopathy to do something wrong. It's sociopathic if you do something bad but still don't feel bad about it.
You chose to ignore his own statements that he had mental health problem, that he had an abusive boyfriend and made fun of him. But whatever happened that is now lost to the archives, WE NOW HAVE ON THE THREAD ITSELF you being an ******* to him. There is the also the fact that you are still being an Ass and that you chose on the thread where EVC said he was having a crisis you choose to say you don't feel bad about making fun of him. Not feeling bad about bad things you have done is exactly what sociopathy is.
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