03-06-2005 07:03									#1
	Empire of the Rising Sun Almost Done Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Well, everything but a few pesky events and the wait for two fairline US Navy dive bombers (the Devastator and Helldiver; you haven't forgotten about me, have you fairline?) in this scen is done. It's almost ready for full beta playtesting. I'm currently toying with an idea which I'm not sure about (this debate is what's stalling the events, BTW). I'm considering having alternate events files after Dec '43 which will be loaded depending on how well the Japanese player is doing by then (based on the base objectives system). You'd use the batch file to activate one events file if you're winning and one if you're losing. After all, the US won't be storming Okinawa if their West Coast is under attack. Someone let me know what they think of this idea, please. Also, @Curt, if I ask really nicely, could you whip me up a People.bmp file appropriate to WW2 Japan?

	03-06-2005 20:26									#2
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will the alternate events include a truce between the US and japan if a stalemate forms and lasts beyond 1945?

	04-06-2005 04:22									#3
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I plan to let them fight it out till Dec '47 before forcing a truce. A Japanese surrender may come sooner, however, if the player suffers the more historic level of defeat (including being A-bombed a couple of times).

	04-06-2005 13:17									#4
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For those who may think I'm dragging my feet, here's my checklist on accomplishment on the EotRS beta:
-Rules.txt: Done
-Units.bmp: Done except for Devastator and Helldiver
-Cities.bmp: Done
-Icons.bmp: Done
-People.bmp: Not yet
-Sounds: Done
-City Placement: Done
-City Improvements: Done
-Terrain Improvements: Done
-Roads and Railroads: Done
-Unit Placement: Done
-Events: Done up to Dec '43 (further events waiting pending decision on alternate events files thereafter).

	07-06-2005 15:52									#5
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My final stages of this project (I know, sorry for the wait) will, I'm afraid, be further delayed by an unfortunate situation. I've got a virus or worm that has infected my mouse driver, and it eventually does away with it entirely, after cursor lag and involuntary clicks. Setting my Windows clock back only delays the inevitable. I've backed up 'Empire of the Rising Sun' (and many other things) onto CD-Rom, but I'll have to do a full restore, then reset all my settings and re-install a bunch of stuff, putting my schedule off all the more. I was a hair from being done, too, but I have a few tricky events left, and I want to back it up before my mouse freezes solid again (it's lagging horribly as I type this). Sorry, but I will deliver a beta in a week at most (I hope).

	07-06-2005 16:33									#6
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Good luck with restoring your computer. That is much more important than getting the beta out quickly. I just managed to get get rid of an Alcan worm on mine; fortunately, before it did any damage.

	07-06-2005 16:52									#7
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Zonealarm and AVG - Get them both, pronto!

	07-06-2005 17:35									#8
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	18-06-2005 07:10									#9
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Well, after two system restores with full formats (thankfully with backup disks this time) and four days in the shop, my computer's back up and running. Which means, it's time to finish 'Empire of the Rising Sun!' I just posted to say I'm back on schedule, and any last minute contributions would be welcome.

@fairline, how far am I on the list for the Devastator and Helldiver? I do kind of need them to complete this scen. No rush, but just a hint as to a rough timetable would be appreciated. Thanks!

	06-07-2005 01:28									#10
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Well, I admit there's been a two-week-long distraction in my plans to finish EotRS, but now I'm back on task. There are two things I need help with, though. First, I've finished the initial events, and those for '44 onwards where Japan's losing, but I need some solid advice on what to put in the ones where Japan's actually winning. Second, and this one's directed at fairline, I've tried making subtle implications and polite requests, but now I'm practically on my hands and knees humbly begging for that Devastator and Helldiver graphics to finish this scen! If anyone could be of help with either, PLEASE drop a post.

	06-07-2005 21:05									#11
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Here's the deal Patine: you're in a queue I'm afraid. I bumped you to the top once for the other two aircraft but now you'll have to wait.

It's probably best to use alternative graphics unless you want to wait for a couple of months.

	06-07-2005 22:13									#12
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My apologies, fairline, for pushing. I knew I was in a queue, but I honestly had no idea how long it really was. I should be able to get them for the final release (I hope), but I will take a look around for temporary alternatives (though, I warn everyone, these makeshift planes may be dated or hideous, or both).

	06-07-2005 22:31									#13
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i'll try revamping some DV planes for you,
as soon as i am done with the batch of star wars units i am working on,

	06-07-2005 22:32									#14
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Thanks, Erika. That should suffice till fairline is done. It will at least make the scen playable.

	07-07-2005 01:43									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Patine First, I've finished the initial events, and those for '44 onwards where Japan's losing, but I need some solid advice on what to put in the ones where Japan's actually winning.

I would hardly call what follows "solid". Extremely iffy is closer to the truth.

I assume that you would like to make it tougher for Japan from '43 onwards. I think that you may have to make an arbitrary decision as to how the war in Europe is going. I wonder what would have happened if Hitler had blown a gasket while delivering his annual harangue at Nuremberg or one of the assassination plots against him had succeeded. Would the Allies have accepted a negotiated peace with the new German leadership?

For the purposes of the scen, something like that would have had to happen to free up massive US, UK and Soviet forces for redeplyment to the Far East. American aid to China could enter through Russia and the British could probably funnel units through Afghanistan or Pakistan. I suspect that Japan would be in control of the Pacific shipping routes so that Australia would be on its own.

I know that this is pretty farfetched but it does have a kind of mad logic.

	07-07-2005 07:06									#16
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@AGRICOLA: That's a neat idea, actually, but could make it damn near impossible to win as Japan. Also, I kind of think I might keep things in Europe close to historical canon, if not even right on. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, and could make the basis of a whole 'what if' scen itself (jot this down for Chris' 'New and Innovative Scenario Ideas' thread), but I'm aiming at something somewhat more 'historical,' at least as events have it. BTW, I don't think Hitler likely would have died of a coronary; he had among the lowest cholesterol levels of 20th Century world leaders, as he was a strict vegetarian (only the Dalai Llama, back when he was a leader when Tibet was independent before China took over, had lower); assassination is far more likely.

	07-07-2005 08:48									#17
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Another question I'd like advice on, if someone could be so inclined. When EotRS is complete, should I make a separate version of it with the same map, units, techs, and starting setup, but with events text designed to play the US as the intended player? What do you all think?

	07-07-2005 14:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Patine I've finished the initial events, and those for '44 onwards where Japan's losing, but I need some solid advice on what to put in the ones where Japan's actually winning.

Capture of Wake and Guam

Sinking of Force Z

Corregidor + Bataan Death March

Battle of Java Sea

Rabaul, the Gibraltar of the Japs + hauling the civilians back to Japan as slaves.

Raids as far as Colombo

Invasion of India and cutting Burma Road

Sinking of Lexington (actually Japs sank CV1,2,5,7,8 in 42, not too bad a job)

Operation Ichigo

	08-07-2005 00:32									#19
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@Kobayashi: Forgive my ignorance, but what's Operation Ichigo?

	08-07-2005 00:39									#20
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Look it up on the web.

	08-07-2005 06:23									#21
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In a nut shell, a land offensive to capture airbases supporting bombers capable of hitting Japan from China. Even though it took place in 1945, the Chinese with American weapons and training and stuff were still unable to hold back the Japanese.

	10-07-2005 12:57									#22
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Those are great ideas, kobayashi (now that I know what Ichigo is)! I'll be getting to work on those events files right away!

	11-07-2005 09:35									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Patine Those are great ideas, kobayashi (now that I know what Ichigo is)! I'll be getting to work on those events files right away!

Well you have the luxury, you are using TOT and as some people have pointed out, I am loathe to use multiple game files. I don't even have enough event space for proper AI unit generation in DST.

I had plenty of other stuff I cant fit in or fit in properly, resignations of Japanese politicians, lord mountbatten, Australia forced to turn to America, disbandening of ABDA, the Fugo experiment, the indian liberation army, the Lyons saotage missions, the battle in the mountains north of Port Moresby (can't rem the name right now).....

good luck

	12-07-2005 19:05									#24
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Will these do?

Attachment: sb2c helldiver tbd devastator.png
This has been downloaded 58 time(s).

	12-07-2005 19:47									#25
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Very nice!

	12-07-2005 21:25									#26
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Extra
Keep clear from hornet's nests, d'ye hear!...

	13-07-2005 01:04									#27
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Yes, typhoon, those will do nicely! Thanks a plenty!

	13-07-2005 14:31									#28
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Thanks all. Fortunately for me all of the good bits were done beforehand by fairline and curt, so I can put off the aforementioned dicksticking. And all things considered, they don't exactly look true to life. Perhaps more tweaks are in order...

quote: Originally posted by Patine Yes, typhoon, those will do nicely! Thanks a plenty!

Don't pay back, pay forward. I'd be happy enough to see this project come to fruition, after all that has happened *cough*crash*cough*

	14-07-2005 05:18									#29
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I do intend to finish this scen, certainly, typhoon, but another (I'm hoping the last, knock on wood) cough or crash has occurred. My CD-Rom drive kicked out and it won't be fixed till Tuesday. I can't run ToT to make the finishing touches, and, though I can work on the events files, I often need things like coordinates from the scen. I'd like a working crack, but I know those are illegal, so I won't even ask for one. I don't know why my computer's a piece of crap (I paid $1300CAN for it), but this scen will be finished as soon as is humanly possible.

	14-07-2005 06:04									#30
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that's why i keep a backup cd-drive in my drawer,