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Inspired by Muad'Dib's wonderfully 'misguided' thread...

So anyway, short of controlling Pol Pot and pulling the triggers of the Khmer Rouge's weapons I put it to you, the people of Poly, that the US was responsible for creating the conditions in which the Khmer Rouge could thrive - and then leaving, creating a power vacuum allowing them to carry out the heinous atrocities whereby an estimated two million people perished and doing nothing whatsoever to stop them...

Now my little boy scouts, if you don't know much about this chapter of America's sordid past because you are either too young - or stupid, I suggest using these keywords in your searches...

Cambodia
Neutral Country
B-52s
Innocent Civilians
CIA sponsored Right-Wing Coup
Pol Pot
Khmer Rouge
Year Zero
Tuol Sleng
Cambodia's Auschwitz


Discuss!

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I'd blame Bush, but he was busy snorting coke at the time.

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More likely it was because he was dodging the draft at the time...

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Now my little boy scouts, if you don't know much about this chapter of America's sordid past because you are either too young - or stupid, I suggest using these keywords in your searches...

Cambodia
Neutral Country
B-52s
Innocent Civilians
CIA sponsored Right-Wing Coup
Pol Pot
Khmer Rouge
Year Zero
Tuol Sleng
Cambodia's Auschwitz


Discuss!


Don't forget:
Neutral country that couldn't or wouldn't control its own borders.
Violation of neutrality.
VC sanctuary
NVA sanctuary
Ho Chi Minh trail (if you want to do the MOBIUS strip, technically not the Ho Chi Minh trail itself, but an ancillary supply route into the central highlands of RVN.
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That's right, if the NV wouldn't have used Cambodia, US wouldn't have had to counter in Cambodia either. We can say they used too much force, too much chemicals, too much everything. But the fact still is, it takes two to tango, and while the US was there, they were forced to be there by the enemy. Don't expect the logistic routes to be left alone if they are used in places it causes controversy to enter and destroy them.

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The Cambodian nightmare may have been enabled by the Yank and Vietnamese meddling, but the real monster is Pol Pot.
The US has propped up plenty of dictatorships and betrayed plenty of countries in its past, and it never degenrated like in Cambodia. Becuase these other pawn countries didn't have a Pol Pot.

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Pol Pot. Yeah... what can you say to that. I guess nothing. Maybe nothing should be said, silence is the best protest of his character. The bastard doesn't deserve words, not even negative ones.

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Pol Pot. Yeah... what can you say to that. I guess nothing. Maybe nothing should be said, silence is the best protest of his character. The bastard doesn't deserve words, not even negative ones.

Let's just say that I consider Pol Pot to be the worst monster that has ever walked the Earth. And yes, this statement takes into account all genocidial maniacs I know of.

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who's pol pot?

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Spiffor, I don't know if I rank him the first, but he definitely is in the top 5. Maybe even top 3.

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who's pol pot?

Pol Pot

The Killing Fields

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Send Stewart Spink through the looking glass and you get MOBIUS.

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Inspired by Muad'Dib's wonderfully 'misguided' thread...



Your welcome.

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Yet another "US defending democracy" incident. Anyway, it's good people now know what was known long ago about the mosntrocities of that country's governments.

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Yeah, US defending democracy incident, but carried about by a commie. Someone was indirect, when someone was direct. Both bad, but... this certainly is not a high argument for communism.

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yeah they get others to do their killings when they can avoid it. but they wouldn't have if they didn't support them.

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Nah, thats an easy question to answer. If NV could have taken SV without resistance, they would have used their main resources to supress SV and aided Pol Pot figuring they could create a sattelite state under their control.

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How is that? Scenario: North Vietnam is about to overrun South, and converting things to communism. South Vietnam kind of against that. They want US to help them, who arrives in time, because they don't want communism to spread. Fighting is going on, and NV starts using other routes for logistics, in Cambodia, in Laos. War spreads and gets more ugly. US is taking it to the routes, because you can't have that going on.. it's not a question of wanting to get innocent people killed, it's warfare, and that's the only way to response to such action. Too bad, but it'll happen. It happens that this thing, bombing and fighting in Cambodia helps Pol Pot, who later on is the main man responsible for Killing Fields. It wasn't what US tried to do. IT wasn't what they wanted. It's what Pol Pot wanted. The true killer was Pol Pot in Cambodia, not the US. US could be taken into debate for using excessive force in Cambodia, resulting to loss of lives and lots of them. But they can't be held responsible for Pol Pot killing people.

But that's just me.

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who's pol pot?


Southeast Asia's Adolf Hitler.

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How is that? Scenario: North Vietnam is about to overrun South, and converting things to communism. South Vietnam kind of against that. They want US to help them, who arrives in time, because they don't want communism to spread. Fighting is going on, and NV starts using other routes for logistics, in Cambodia, in Laos. War spreads and gets more ugly. US is taking it to the routes, because you can't have that going on.. it's not a question of wanting to get innocent people killed, it's warfare, and that's the only way to response to such action. Too bad, but it'll happen. It happens that this thing, bombing and fighting in Cambodia helps Pol Pot, who later on is the main man responsible for Killing Fields. It wasn't what US tried to do. IT wasn't what they wanted. It's what Pol Pot wanted. The true killer was Pol Pot in Cambodia, not the US. US could be taken into debate for using excessive force in Cambodia, resulting to loss of lives and lots of them. But they can't be held responsible for Pol Pot killing people.

But that's just me.



Didn't the US bomb Cambodia?

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What was my last sentence in that big paragraph?

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"but that's just me"

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in the BIG paragraph

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Excuse me?

The U.S. holocaust was the genocide of the native American peoples. It's actually shocking to see threads demonstrate how completely it can be forgotten.

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Excuse me?

The U.S. holocaust was the genocide of the native American peoples. It's actually shocking to see threads demonstrate how completely it can be forgotten.


quote:
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Inspired by Muad'Dib's wonderfully 'misguided' thread...

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Game, set, match.

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Southeast Asia's Adolf Hitler.


Nah, this was much worse then hitler. Killing aprox 20% of your own people in 5 years is beyond being ****ed up.

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Game, set, match.


Actually no. As long as Muad'Dib haven't made his present in this thread, the game hasn't started. If not, the thread is just stupid.

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The U.S. created the conditions that allowed Pot to come to power, including engineering a coup d'etat against that twit, Sihanook. The invasion and bombings and coup created a groundswell of support for the KR, and the bomgins also resulted in the loss of a massive amount of farmland (both from the bombs themselves and driving peasants off the land). Hence, the conditions were created for a massive famine, which is what occured. Pol Pot and the U.S. take equal blame for the Killing Fields.

What is worse, however, is that once the world knew what occured in Cambodia, after the Vietnamese drove them from power, the U.S. decided to give support to the KR.

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Wasn't China behind Pol Pot?

 
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