05-06-2005 15:47									#1
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Heard about it? Saw something of it?

I posted a news article on it on a German board, and the first big reaction was like "This must be fake! Looks like a b-movie! Why would somebody make a video tape of this, why wasn't it destroyed later?"

But I think some people (victims and perpetrators) in the video are already id-ed.....

So what do you think?

	05-06-2005 16:09									#2
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link to the video? or the news article?

	05-06-2005 17:54									#3
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Don#t have a link to the video.

Just news articles:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0...1603874,00.html (German)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4605223.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europ...reut/index.html

	05-06-2005 23:27									#4
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http://www.ogrish.com/archives/ six...un_02_2005.html

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	06-06-2005 00:18									#5
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Many people must have very little imagination. If they hear that hundreds were shot, why are they shocked at the video? What did they think it would look like?

	06-06-2005 00:19									#6
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Summary?

	06-06-2005 00:28									#7
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The Serbs massacred hundreds of Bosnian Muslims in the town of Srebrenica during that civil war. In typical Human cruesomeness, someone recorded it on video (as a type of trophy or memento) and it has since surfaced.

Death penalty (Sorry, still against it; prefer something more vengeful...)
The perpetrators rotting away in a Turkish prison (...like this.)

	06-06-2005 00:42									#8
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Someone has to pay ($) for all that rotting. Someone , gaurds, have to deal with such people day in and out. The families of victims would have to deal with the fact that the murderers were still alive. I suggest ending their lives would be easier on everyone concerned.

	06-06-2005 00:48									#9
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I've heard rumors of this video for many years now, very strange that it finally has surfaced.

There is even reference to an execution in a cheezy Hollywood action movie, Behind Enemy Lines. I can't remember if it involved a videotape though.

The Serb response has been good so far.

They need to be persistent about about it though.

	06-06-2005 02:25									#10
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The actual video: http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artik...nica_video.html

Click on the first link in the section 'Mediatheek' in the top-right. The first bit is in Dutch, as are the subtites, but the images speak for themselves.

Warning: although the worst bits have been filtered out, the images can be seen as very shocking.

	06-06-2005 02:30									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Many people must have very little imagination. If they hear that hundreds were shot, why are they shocked at the video? What did they think it would look like?

Until now, many Serbs didn't believe the Srebrenica massacre happened at all, as government proganda told them for years it was all Western lies. To the Serbs, this is *very* shocking.

To the rest of the world, it may be cliche, but an image says more than 1,000 words and a video says more than 1,000 images.

	06-06-2005 02:34									#12
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"Until now, many Serbs didn't believe the Srebrenica massacre happened at all, as government proganda told them for years it was all Western lies."

Got ya, I wasn't aware of that.

	06-06-2005 03:06									#13
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One thing is for sure. This is still more evidience of war crimes commited by Yugoslav forces and those people who continue to claim war crimes didn't occur in Bosnia & Kosovo or were exagerated by the west are just plain wrong.

	06-06-2005 03:07									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs The Serbs massacred hundreds of Bosnian Muslims in the town of Srebrenica during that civil war.

That should read eight thousand not "hundreds".

	06-06-2005 15:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs In typical Human cruesomeness, someone recorded it on video (as a type of trophy or memento) and it has since surfaced.

Yeah, that is what I'm thinking too - after all we also have stuff about other massacres (for example photo evidence from WW2), so it is not too uncommon that such material survives.

I think some people have the strange habit to construct a conspiracy theory about everything.

	06-06-2005 16:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That should read eight thousand not "hundreds".

My meaning was not to belittle the death toll, so please don't think that.

	06-06-2005 23:10									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Someone has to pay ($) for all that rotting. Someone , gaurds, have to deal with such people day in and out. The families of victims would have to deal with the fact that the murderers were still alive. I suggest ending their lives would be easier on everyone concerned.

Let's not forget the UN's complicity in the Srebrenica massacre. The UN declared the town a "safe haven" then stood aside as the Serbs entered and removed these people - knowing full well that they were to be killed.

For shame.

	06-06-2005 23:33									#18
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The video also records the participation of a paramilitary known to be under the control of the Yugoslav/Serbia govenment at the time, rather than being just Bosnian Serb militia.

	07-06-2005 01:29									#19
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Hey , where is Mr. Guevera in this thread? Wasn't it he who was telling us the massacres didn't take place?

Isn't he also fond of saying "I told you so" ...?

	07-06-2005 02:26									#20
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Srebrenica isn't in Kosovo, so what I wrote doesn't apply to this thread. Sorry, Charlie.

	07-06-2005 02:34									#21
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"Let's not forget the UN's complicity in the Srebrenica massacre. The UN declared the town a "safe haven" then stood aside as the Serbs entered and removed these people - knowing full well that they were to be killed.

For shame."

They could solve some of the office space problem in NY since 9-11 by using the UN building for something constructive.

	07-06-2005 02:49									#22
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Yeah, the UN sure does suck at distributing charity and helping the poor of the world get vaccinated . . . and, oh wait, no they don't. Just cuz the UN doesn't suck Bush's cheney doesn't mean it's useless.

	07-06-2005 04:50									#23
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quote: Let's not forget the UN's complicity in the Srebrenica massacre.

Ouch... Sebrenica is sort of a national trauma in the Netherlands. It was Dutch troops that were supposed to protect the citizens of Srebrenica. 8000 people executed and our guys assisted Mladic with getting them on the busses that would take them to...

	07-06-2005 06:45									#24
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Quick, which nationality/ethnic group suffered the largest amount of ethnic cleansing in the Yugoslav civil wars?

	07-06-2005 07:25									#25
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My money's on the Slavs.

	07-06-2005 08:10									#26
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Quick, who is trying to change the subject?

	07-06-2005 08:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus To the rest of the world, it may be cliche, but an image says more than 1,000 words and a video says more than 1,000 images.

Can you explain this point to DanS please?

	07-06-2005 18:27									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That should read eight thousand not "hundreds".

How many bodies have been found?

	07-06-2005 18:37									#29
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The Bosnian Serbs already admitted a number of over 7000 victims officially:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3743176.stm

	07-06-2005 18:41									#30
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Whoa, Che seems to be lifting not one but several pages from UR's playbook!

Why are you so uncomfortable on this topic, Che?

Oh, I almost forgot: We told to tell you so.