05-06-2005 20:56									#1
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This video is(as I understand it) taken from the E3 presentation of Civ4(some parts of it, those fools came some minutes too late...). I haven't seen this one before, and since it's in English(except the intro title, but all speach is English) I decided you should get the honour to see it. I am in the middle of it right now, the game they show seems to be the same as Soren showed in the GameSpot interview. But it's new all right I think.

One new(I think) info so far is: All leaders have two traits. Gandhi's is organized and creative.

	05-06-2005 21:18									#2
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Short game(like in short - normal - epic) equals Civ3's accelerated production.

In addition to walls in a city, you can build castles to further add to the defence of it.

Having a city near a river adds to the heath of that city.

Sid "trust us[the programmers obviously] to do as good and make a great game" and comes down from time to time to play multiplayer and gives feedback. He helps managing.

When you want to move a unit, you can point to the site you want it to go and get info on how long it will take to go there.

You can group units together, "much like stacking"( ), f.ex. a settler and some defence.
(The guy also said something about grouping 20 units together, but I didn't get if that's the limit or not)

With the modding tools, you can "totally reorganize the interface".

I saw two leaders at the end of the game, Julius Caesar(don't think we've seen him before) and Hapsetut.

	05-06-2005 21:33									#3
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New stuff, in adition to the above:
- A Holy Shrine generates gold, spreads religion faster
- Amphibious promotion gives a bonus (Jesse(?) said penalty but that seems unlikely) attacking across rivers
- units: Mechanized Infantry, Modern Armor, Stealth
- MP supports at least 4vs4vs4, so 12 players
- There is still a city screen, I think one or two people here were worried it was gone (though it's not even close to being complete, which probably explains why we've seen so little of it (and the UI in general for that matter))
- Defensive terrain bonuses have been simplified. You only get them on Forest, Jungle and Hills.
- The longer units are fortified, the bigger the defensive bonus they get: being fortified for 5 turns gives a 25% bonus (the max)
- Windmills can only be built on Hills. Farms can't be.
- The entire game's interface is written in Python

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quote: (The guy also said something about grouping 20 units together, but I didn't get if that's the limit or not)

There isn't, we already know that from other sources.

quote: don't think we've seen him before

We did, on the Firaxis website.

	05-06-2005 21:44									#5
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A lot of info in that video. Thanks for the link Nikolai!

	05-06-2005 22:01									#6
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He says 'Stealth Bombers and such', I think.

	05-06-2005 23:15									#7
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quote: - Defensive terrain bonuses have been simplified. You only get them on Forest, Jungle and Hills.

Not on mountains?

quote: - The entire game's interface is written in Python

	05-06-2005 23:17									#8
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Very cool and informative video!

	05-06-2005 23:46									#9
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Stuff I saw from studying the video footage:

Shrines are actually World Wonders, so these are probably the religious wonders we heard about. Also, the amount of Gold they generate appears to depend on the number of cities converted.

Second time around I caught Jesse saying Asoka is an Indian leader.

Terrain:
What I called Hunting Camp is actually called Camp
Grassland Hills give 2 Hammer, 1 Food
Gold Resource gives +7 Gold

Units:
Axeman: Melee unit, costs 35, 8? Strength
Spearman: costs 35
Catapult: Siege Weapon, 3? Strength
Swordsman: 6? Strength

Buildings/Wonders:
Barracks
Lighthouse confirmed
Religion-specific Monestaries confirmed
Chichen Itza confirmed
Angkor Wat confirmed
What I called Samarra Mosque is actually called The Spiral Minaret

Civil services allows Chichen Itza, enables Bureaucracy

Organized Religion is a religious Civic (and Dummy a legal one )

Memphis is an Egyptian city


There's a lot more text, but most of it I can't read. Maybe someone else has better eyes (or software)...

	05-06-2005 23:48									#10
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Dummy?

	05-06-2005 23:50									#11
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Obviously a placeholder of sorts...

Edit: upon closer inspection it may actually say something else. But it seemed to read Dummy at first glance and since I thought that was funny yet understandable I didn't bother to look into it any closer...

Last edited by Locutus on 06-06-2005 at 00:00

	06-06-2005 00:00									#12
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I saw a "Jewish Temple" city improvement.

	06-06-2005 00:13									#13
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I really like the options he mentioned for cooperative multiplayer. This is almost as close to a team of players running a single country as Civ can get.

	06-06-2005 00:14									#14
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Actually no. The closest possible is a demogame.

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with all the changes we can make to the game, it might be possible to put in demogame multiplayer

	06-06-2005 00:18									#15
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You just had to, right?

I meant precisely what I said.

With diversified production and cashflow players could work in the game as different ministers. One producing units, another doing research, others controlling trading — the more specialized cities you can have in general, the closer this gets to running many countries in the fashion you would run one.

And, of course, simulating a feudal or republican government comes very natural with this sharing model. Simply precious.

	06-06-2005 00:20									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Not on mountains?

That's because (most) combat units cannot move onto mountains.

P.S., No I don't really know that. Wouldn't be disappointed, though.

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There's vast ways in which you could improve on it to make it more demogame-like, though.

	06-06-2005 00:48									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I saw a "Jewish Temple" city improvement.

That's actually nothing new.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker There's vast ways in which you could improve on it to make it more demogame-like, though.

True. But at least this is closer than previous versions of Civ, by far. Full control over one civ for many players would be even better, of course...

	06-06-2005 01:29									#20
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Yes, but you said as close as civ can get. I'm thinking of editing it so that, say, it could be integrated with a forum and/or chatroom, and have a persistent server kind of like the PBEM thing, so that the ministers can just log on and do stuff.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Yes, but you said as close as civ can get. I'm thinking of editing it so that, say, it could be integrated with a forum and/or chatroom, and have a persistent server kind of like the PBEM thing, so that the ministers can just log on and do stuff.

Well, all you really need to do that is have the ability to save a PBEM during the turn (along with protection against reloads, obviously). Worked in SMAC, so I guess it would not be a problem to have it done this way in CIV.

But what I meant, and what I find so interesting, is the possibility for players to interact simultaneously. I mean someone working on city infrastructure while I move the units (or the other way around). This cooperative mode gets close to the idea if players use specialized cities (or rather specialized civs). But, from what we know so far, it still lacks the possibility of running a single country in multiplayer (not PBEM). This can be simulated in the way described for a PBEM, but the feeling would be much different if you could actually see things moving while you do your stuff.

	06-06-2005 15:16									#22
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Is it just me or does the video stream not work any more?

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Its not just you.

	06-06-2005 17:50									#24
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damn, missed!

	06-06-2005 19:19									#25
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Weird. Try opening it through this page, and click on the link saying "GRTV: Vi ser på Civilization IV". Then you open a commercial video and then the video opens. Works fine for me.

	06-06-2005 19:20									#26
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Hmmm... OTOH, the original link works fine for me too.

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Works for me too.

	06-06-2005 21:27									#28
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it plays only the comm. video for me! grrr...

	06-06-2005 22:16									#29
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Wait a minute or two. I had to wait that long after the commercial video the first time for some reason.

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Commercial?