07-06-2005 02:51									#31
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

number 9

	07-06-2005 03:04									#32
	Support Apolyton

Good points. I voted 6-7, as is, but if it's as moddable as they say, I'd bump that up a few notches. I just hope the OVERALL game is RIGHT.

	07-06-2005 03:11									#33
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Locutus
I'm a lurker at TrekBBS (the Star Trek fan forum), and although noone who's not a fairly hardcore Trekkie will use that board, you'd be surprised by the abysmal rating many Trek films, episodes and even entire series get, even from such a hardcore fanbase. Hardcore fans can still be critical, they are often more so than casual fans, who don't even take the effort of visiting fansites.[/QUOTES]

It's because the hardcore fans aren't the target audience.

	07-06-2005 03:38									#34
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It's because the hardcore fans aren't the target audience.

The same is true for Civ.


Plus, Ent S4 *was* targeted at the hardcore audience (except the alien Nazi and TNG eps, B&B seem to target their episodes only at themselves -- 'cause Gene knows noone else likes 'em...), yet there were still quite a few dissatisfied voices even then (among all the ecstatic ones).

	07-06-2005 05:42									#35
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I voted a 9. No game has ever scored a 10 in my ratings. But im damn sure that with some mods, like city liberation, some really complex AI behaviour and stuff that only Fans can bring alive, CIV will be a major 10.

Dudes! 3D graphics will give you the feel of actually ruling some land! Promotions! Ohhh, promotions! Imagine your Imperial Guard! or the Border Rangers!

More resources, nice leaders, Wondermovies (tm)! Religion! (crusades!!!, smacking infidels!) and (hope) an AI and diplomacy system that really cope with all the nice features.

	07-06-2005 05:52									#36
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Locutus The same is true for Civ.

Very, very much so.

	07-06-2005 11:12									#37
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It's because the hardcore fans aren't the target audience.

I have been a casual gamer for years.

Then one year I find Apolyton...Thanks to all those there

I am in my infancy of being a hardcore member

	07-06-2005 17:51									#38
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by CyberShy why do you think it's mediocer, based on the current information? I think it's great (8) at least because: - 3D looks good (wrong 1st argument, oh well...) - religion concept looks great - resource system looks great - improved resource improvements on terrain looks great - new combat system looks great - more diplomacy options look great - multiplayer appears to be working and good there's more, but this comes to mind first. I wonder how people can think the game is mediocer at this moment. Of course you're allowed to, but I hope you can explain why.

you must be referring to me as only 1 person choose 5,despite your incorrect quote

3d: ok
religion:
resource ok
improvements showing on tiles: what a concept ^^ ive already played games that fully or partially had this
combat:
diplomacy:if its atleast better than SMAC and 10x better than civ3 diplo,it will be
multiplayer: if they can even get a decent MP going this time

im sure the game will be good at least,but compare it relativly to civ2 at release. if civ2 was rated 10 and other games 1,then cIV is 50 with other games at 45.

	07-06-2005 18:11									#39
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

10, it's Civ.

	07-06-2005 19:32									#40
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I voted 8 - Great. I would've voted higher, but Civ3 was a bit of a disappointment to me, so I'm not going to get my hopes up too high.

	07-06-2005 21:37									#41
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Torkkeli 10, it's Civ.

Best hardcore civ player answer so far.

	07-06-2005 21:58									#42
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

i voted 7

overall i know i'm gonna waste months of my life on it. I think it looks like an amazing game.

But i still wish the graphics looked a little different. I want civil wars put in. And frankly, even tho its not PC, I woulda liked Religions to have some kind of traits, even if implemented randomnly.

Of course, after modding, the game might easily be a 10 for me. But in my opinion, the game has to be reviewed as the company puts it on the shelf (or after patching). I have no clue how good the mods will be, and to attribute their worth to Firaxis seems unfair to the modder and too good to the company. Just because they give you the tools does not make the game better, IMO.

so 7.

	07-06-2005 22:12									#43
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I gave it 7

Based on the fact that it uses the Pirates engine I'm scared that the fights will be as slow as in pirates (making the best part of Pirates annoying )

And even though they say almost everything is modable, I voted based on what I believe the non-modded version of the game will be (ok, it being modable did add a little to the score of course)
And since I prefer to play Civ SP all the talk about MP doesn't really appeal to me.

	07-06-2005 22:30									#44
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I vote 8 (great)

	07-06-2005 22:58									#45
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

10!

	07-06-2005 23:01									#46
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Well, that settles it. The official Apolyton stand on Civ4 is "10 out of 10".

	08-06-2005 01:44									#47
	Remove this text

8 I have a good feeling about this game

	08-06-2005 03:03									#48
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

- Religions
- Trade
- Globe map
- SMAC-like social engineering (civics)
- Great people
- Simple mass-public-not-dubbed-down oriented
- Modder-friendly...

Actually, the only MAIN idea in my list that's not there is a supply system (= expansion limits, supply lines, plundering, supply/attack units balance, strategy...).

So it seems excellent... while we'll see if it reaches close to apotheosis

	08-06-2005 06:20									#49
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: I voted 7 - Good. I would've voted higher, but Civ3 was a bit of a disappointment to me, so I'm not going to get my hopes up too high.

	08-06-2005 09:36									#50
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

We're being way too premature to fairly grade the game. (and why top it?)

	08-06-2005 10:51									#51
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

It's not "grading" the game.
It's expression your expection for the game, based on your current knowledge.

	08-06-2005 11:02									#52
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by CyberShy It's not "grading" the game. It's expression your expection for the game, based on your current knowledge.

Insufficient data. If I did that for MOO3 I would have given it a 10 based on what we were then told.

	08-06-2005 13:27									#53
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Yeah, that was a slap in the face if I ever saw one...

	08-06-2005 14:30									#54
	Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Insufficient data. If I did that for MOO3 I would have given it a 10 based on what we were then told.

Well, you can give Civ4 a 10 now and if the game turns out to be another MoO3 you can give it a 3 in January (because again, we *will* be doing this poll a few more times in the future). If enough people agree with you, Firaxis will know they did something horribly wrong

	08-06-2005 15:07									#55
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Locutus , Firaxis will know they did something horribly wrong

GADS, no way

keep those evil thoughts to yourself

Even at their worse, it will be better than MOO3, IMO

	08-06-2005 15:54									#56
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex Even at their worse, it will be better than MOO3, IMO

Undoubtedly.

	08-06-2005 20:20									#57
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I gave it a nine. With the inclusion of events, I know it will be a great game.

	11-06-2005 12:25									#58
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I rated it 5

I loved the way civ3 looked
In civ4 the units are disproportionately big, the map is still grid-like, the global view is ridiculous, no state or nation had that kind of planetary view until the 20th century, they had maps, that's it
Though, I like the novel city labels and state borders and WYG/WYS depiction of city improvements
The in-game movies may be exciting

Another disappointing news is that they're going to have about 18 civilisations, leaving Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians and many more out, hopefully Macedonians will be there
What are Zulus and Aztecs anyway?!?!?
Nobody knew Aztecs existed until 16th century and they were massacred out in a few centuries
Zulus are in stone age forever
I'm afraid their plan is to sell 2 or 3 expansions with more maps and civilisations, to rip off $100-150 from each civ fan, again.
No other game have such insanely ordinary and outrageously expensive expansions coming few months after the game release

Hope it's gonna have improved AI and gameplay

	11-06-2005 12:46									#59
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by ISTANBUL Hope it's gonna have improved AI and gameplay

You'll have to wait for the next expansion.

	11-06-2005 21:18									#60
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by ISTANBUL Another disappointing news is that they're going to have about 18 civilisations, leaving Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians and many more out, hopefully Macedonians will be there What are Zulus and Aztecs anyway?!?!? Nobody knew Aztecs existed until 16th century and they were massacred out in a few centuries Zulus are in stone age forever I'm afraid their plan is to sell 2 or 3 expansions with more maps and civilisations, to rip off $100-150 from each civ fan, again. No other game have such insanely ordinary and outrageously expensive expansions coming few months after the game release Hope it's gonna have improved AI and gameplay

Erm, Bulgaria? When was Bulgaria even considered in a Civ game?