06-06-2005 01:26									#1
	Apolyton Weekly Survey I: Grade The Game Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

A new feature has been added to Apolyton's Civ4 coverage: from now on we will have a poll every week to find out what our community thinks of various issues related to Civilization IV.

This week the question is simple: based on what you know about the game right now, how do you expect Civilization IV will turn out to be, on a scale of 1 to 10? Vote now and discuss your overall impression of the game so far...

	06-06-2005 01:33									#2
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10, because no matter how bad it turns it (which it won't), we can perfect it ourselves.

	06-06-2005 01:36									#3
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It's nearly impossible to say by now. But if I should try, I'd say 8, because I think Civ1 and Civ2 was fantastic, Civ3 good, bordering to fair in the beginning. And since I have chosen to be positive as long as I have no reason otherwise, and what we know so far sounds promising, great is it. But I was unsure whether or not the second last option was a more right thing to choose.

	06-06-2005 02:49									#4
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8 is great. Assumes I will have a computer worthy of the game. Once it is out, I will have months enjoying how to play it well and solving such mysteries is fun. Then will come bug fixes, and finding out how that changes gameplay and strategies is fun too. Then there will be Firaxis expansions which will ... (well, rinse and repeat, you get the idea).

Might be a great game, even after the learning processes are over.

	06-06-2005 03:00									#5
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I'm trying to not get overly enthusiastic about the game right now, so I voted "good". We have lots of info about the game, but the most important info we don't have yet, and it is fairly subjective: how it feels.

	06-06-2005 03:30									#6
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From what has been seen on this site and the E3 data, the game has the potentialities of a true classic.

	06-06-2005 15:22									#7
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good, because

hardware issues - my machine runs c3c just fine, but all the eye-candy will probably put me out of the game

interface issues - lots of cute graphics that don't reflect what i really like about civ. previous issues looked much like board-based strat games. this one's starting to look too much like age of empires, which i hated. i must be getting old

but then,..

theocratic police state!!!

	06-06-2005 15:42									#8
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I'm going a 7 at this point.

From what I've read here and there, it appears a few things are missing (or not reported) that I feel should be in a civ game. However if modding proves as powerful as Firaxis says, then the possibility of moving up a notch or two exists.

	06-06-2005 15:51									#9
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I'm going with an 8.
I'm really looking forward to the game and very very enthousiastic about it. Though I think it's really too early to give it more then an 8.
About much concepts we still need to know much more about the implementation.

But I think an 8 is a fairly good first idea.

	06-06-2005 16:15									#10
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9 - Fantastic.
It seems it is going to be great, and everything that will bother us or be possibly missing from the final version will be possible to correct and improve.

	06-06-2005 16:34									#11
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7 for the time being. Good game. It has definitely the potential for greatness, but some caution is in order.

There is always a gap between what's announced and what's delivered. Let's hope it won't be too large.

And let's hope the price we have to pay for some nice sounding features won't be too high. By this I don't mean money for purchase, but the tradeoff by having other features gimped in order for some to shine. Example: Civ3. Great AI, at least compared to other Civ games and clones. Bought at the expense of streamlining and dumbing down the whole game, and outright cheating (knowledge of map and unit locations).

	06-06-2005 16:44									#12
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I voted 8. The moddability of the game, if delivered as promised, is absolutely incredible. Great potential for the community to fix all the things that bother it.

	06-06-2005 17:15									#13
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The almost flawless bell curve at this point (3/5/10/5/2) between 10 and 6 is amazing.

And what pathetic being voted 1 (worthless)?

	06-06-2005 17:23									#14
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Compared to the period before cIIIv was released the anticipation for cIV apparantly is HUGE!

I remember having the apolyton pessimistic and apolyton realistic club before the cIIIv release.

I wonder if anyone is pessimistic at all right now!

I suggest to not count that '1' vote in the poll.
It's clear that someone just did that to be funny.

Oh, aren't we all laughing out loud

	06-06-2005 18:46									#15
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9 - Fantastic

	06-06-2005 19:07									#16
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voted 5,but would have voted 10 if you asked what i thought about its modability(instead of the game)

	06-06-2005 19:10									#17
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8, and if it does deliver what is being reported it will, the score will be higher.

	06-06-2005 19:56									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot 9 - Fantastic

why do you think it's mediocer, based on the current information?

I think it's great (8) at least because:
- 3D looks good (wrong 1st argument, oh well...)
- religion concept looks great
- resource system looks great
- improved resource improvements on terrain looks great
- new combat system looks great
- more diplomacy options look great
- multiplayer appears to be working and good
there's more, but this comes to mind first.

I wonder how people can think the game is mediocer at this moment. Of course you're allowed to, but I hope you can explain why.

	06-06-2005 20:05									#19
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8. I have a few concerns about issues such as Workers, possible diplomacy weaknesses (lack of tech-for-gold trades?) and such, but overall, I am very excited, and I believe Civ4 will deliver .

	06-06-2005 20:22									#20
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Cyber: Did you by any chance quote the wrong post?

	06-06-2005 20:30									#21
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Niolia: no change at all, I'm flawless

	06-06-2005 21:45									#22
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Such a survey is biased on such a site.

I voted 8...

	06-06-2005 22:18									#23
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte Such a survey is biased on such a site.

Then you weren't around when Civ3 in the run-up to Civ3's release

	06-06-2005 22:28									#24
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I vote 8

A lot of great info, now its up to the playfo

Another poll after its release and played to see how votes change?

	06-06-2005 22:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex Another poll after its release and played to see how votes change?

Indeed. In fact, we'll probably be doing this poll at least once more before release as well, in a few months or so.

	06-06-2005 23:27									#26
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Based on limited knowledge, I voted 6 (fair). Something tells me they are going to rush the game to get it out in time for Christmas and the AI will not be any significant improvement over the AI of the past games.

I do, however, like where they are going with the series with this latest incarnation and am gradually persuading myself that it will be worth it to shill out money for a brand new computer game for the first time in a while.

EDIT: But then again, this is a silly poll. If we were not in the least bit enthused about Civ IV, we would not be posting here in the first place.

	06-06-2005 23:30									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Indeed. In fact, we'll probably be doing this poll at least once more before release as well, in a few months or so.

The only thing that could bring my vote down would be if the promised editing abilities are massively scaled down

	07-06-2005 00:10									#28
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Voted '9'

So far I've seen very few things I'm not fond about, au contrair, so based on that...

	07-06-2005 00:15									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Then you weren't around when Civ3 in the run-up to Civ3's release

True, but I do think that back then, all everyone wanted was civ2 with better graphics, any change was considered heressy.
I remember very clearly a thread called 'your first civ3 game' in which most people said they would play one game with traits - to ee what's it's all about - and then turn them off as it was not 'CIV'.
Now people have come to grips with the fact that changes can be fun.

On the other hand, expectations are probably lower now (because of CIV3) than they were when CIV3 came onto the horizon.

	07-06-2005 01:43									#30
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I'm a lurker at TrekBBS (the Star Trek fan forum), and although noone who's not a fairly hardcore Trekkie will use that board, you'd be surprised by the abysmal rating many Trek films, episodes and even entire series get, even from such a hardcore fanbase. Hardcore fans can still be critical, they are often more so than casual fans, who don't even take the effort of visiting fansites.

And I think that if Firaxis had been a bit more conservative with the modding info and if the graphics been slightly less impressive -- in other words, had this poll been held a few weeks before rather than a few weeks after E3, I think the outcome could've been very different. In fact, a few months ago, the overall atmosphere in this forum was downright negative: ugly graphics, little info, the game was being "dumbed down", people not believing MP would be included out-of-the-box because they 'lied' last time, etc. It's really only in the last weeks that things have changed...

Also, this poll will become more interesting as you hold it more often (before and after the game's release) and you can see how the results change over time (it's a pity noone held such a poll a few months ago).