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DENVER - 9News has learned that 43 states have joined together in a coalition to collect sales tax on all Internet purchases.

You already pay sales tax when you go online to buy from an established business like Eddie Bauer or Wal-Mart. But a lot of small Internet businesses and individual transactions float under the radar.

The coalition is seeking expertise from Colorado's high tech industry to get the tax collection done electronically.

"The Internet Tax Freedom Act says that states cannot treat sales on the Internet differently than they treat any other kind of sale--and this system that we've created does exactly that," says Scott Peterson with the Conforming States Committee, which is spearheading the effort.

"It treats every sale exactly the same regardless if it's over the counter, over the catalogue, over the phone or over the Internet," he says.

The states say they've been losing as much as $16 billion annually to the Internet. They say that new software will make collecting the money almost automatic and that they can have a system in place by Oct. 1.

Colorado Governor Bill Owens says he doesn't like the idea and that Colorado won't be part of it.

"We're getting lots of taxes in terms of income taxes and other taxes because of the rise of the Internet, we shouldn't tax sales over the Internet," said Owens.


The proposal is for the new system to initially be voluntary. "So (unless) Congress were to act and make this mandatory, there would be no penalties," says Peterson. But there's a plus for businesses who do adopt the software. The states say the electronic system is so good, they'll designate participating businesses "audit proof."


I hope my state (Indiana) isn't one of the 43, but I can't fathom them not having their hands in the pie.

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I think this here is the list, and it looks like both AR and INdiana are part of it

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/fiscal/sstisupdate.htm

We can collect the taxes we need from other sources. Internet taxes

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I actually don't oppose this, so long as the tax goes to the right place. And if they tax the consumer, they damned better start actually making sure that businesses are paying their taxes for online sales as well

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I think this here is the list, and it looks like both AR and INdiana are part of it

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/fiscal/sstisupdate.htm

We can collect the taxes we need from other sources. Internet taxes


great link


I need to buy/build my new pc before oct 1, methinks.

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But a lot of small Internet businesses and individual transactions float under the radar.


Does this mean eBay would be taxed? I don't pay a tax at a garage sale.

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I don't know much tax law, but there is, I think, a distinction between a hobby and a job. If its a good percentage of your income, then it should (in the fed's view) be taxed. A bit here and there, no. Part of the cottage ebay reselling industry, yes. just depends on how much you're raking in.

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I actually don't oppose this, so long as the tax goes to the right place. And if they tax the consumer, they damned better start actually making sure that businesses are paying their taxes for online sales as well


I agree. Now, I personally benefit without the sales tax, but I think it's only fair that internet vendors are subjec to the same taxes as the ones on the ground (so to speak).

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I don't know much tax law, but there is, I think, a distinction between a hobby and a job. If its a good percentage of your income, then it should (in the fed's view) be taxed. A bit here and there, no. Part of the cottage ebay reselling industry, yes. just depends on how much you're raking in.


But I'm not talking about selling. I'm talking about a sales tax, where I would be taxed for buying a used dildo, which has already been taxed when it was bought previously.

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do you get taxed when purchasing a used cd at a record store?

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I don't object to an internet sales tax either, but it should be a single, consistant national rate. Instead of leaving a sales tax to the state leaving internet sellers with an impossibly tangled web of regs, there should probably be a national sales tax that's redistributed based on a certain percentage.

I'd hate to have this taxation done at a state level where one would potentially have to pay state, county and local sales taxes on an internet item.

And one question that comes to mind that maybe Imran or somebody else can answer: Do you pay the sales tax that applies to the seller, or the sales tax that applies to the purchaser, or both?

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Purchaser pays the sales tax. I personally think this is a good thing.

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But I'm not talking about selling. I'm talking about a sales tax, where I would be taxed for buying a used dildo, which has already been taxed when it was bought previously.


A retailer had already bought the dildo when it was new. So what?

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don't know much tax law, but there is, I think, a distinction between a hobby and a job. If its a good percentage of your income, then it should (in the fed's view) be taxed. A bit here and there, no. Part of the cottage ebay reselling industry, yes. just depends on how much you're raking in.

Some people already report eBay sales on their income taxes. I think there's a certain amount of profits you make past which you have to report it, or maybe if it's your major source of income (making the hobby vs livelihood distinction again.)

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Sales taxes, like all regressive taxes, are crap.

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Sales taxes

I'm glad montana doesn't have this crap.

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Sales taxes, like all regressive taxes, are crap.


It's even more regressive if the internet is exempt, since it's harder for poor people to make online purchases.

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Who pays the tax.

Nominally the sales tax is paid by the purchaser. You don't purchase something you don't pay the tax logic. Administratively the vendor only collects the tax and pays the liablity. That ignore however that the vendor takes a hit to make the post tax price bearable to the customer, as per the elasiticity of demand.

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But I'm not talking about selling. I'm talking about a sales tax, where I would be taxed for buying a used dildo, which has already been taxed when it was bought previously.


I would assume that you (or rather the vendor) would only pay Capital Gains Tax if its not a trade sale. Or maybe pay service charges....

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Who pays the tax.


Prices tend to be the same in non-sales tax states as in sales-tax states, at least as far as national chains are concerned.

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It's even more regressive if the internet is exempt, since it's harder for poor people to make online purchases.


Fair point, but net sales taxes are still more regressive than income, corporate, estate, etc. taxes.

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Prices tend to be the same in non-sales tax states as in sales-tax states, at least as far as national chains are concerned.


I find that interesting. Sales prices here aren't the same despite a standard national tax. Cost of living effects means that its sometimes a lot cheaper to buy out of town than in town, even at national chains.

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Does this mean eBay would be taxed? I don't pay a tax at a garage sale.


There are two taxation issues - sales and use taxes, and income taxes.

Other than certain large personal property, such as boats, automobiles, aircraft, etc., sale of used personal property from one private party to another does not trigger sales tax in at least the vast majority of states with sales taxes.

If you're an eBay or similar business, routinely engaged in the business of selling such items, then it's a taxable transaction.

If you're a hobbyist who routinely sells something you make, that is also generally subject to sales tax.

The difference is whether you buy something for personal use, use it for a while, then sell it, on a non-routine basis, compared to buying something for the purpose of later resale.

That covers the sales and use tax issue.

Income tax implements in different ways, and has different taxpayers (seller as opposed to buyer) but the underlying logic is similar with sales tax, in determining whether the sale is incidental, or a transaction within a business or hobby context. Generally, when you sell used stuff, you sell it for less than you paid, so there's no income to tax, even if the sale was taxable. In a business transaction, you try to sell for more than you pay, and you have a significant number of sales.

Income from items sold may not be taxable income, or they may be taxed as ordinary income or capital gains, depending on how long you've had the item and if it was bought for eventual resale.

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But I'm not talking about selling. I'm talking about a sales tax, where I would be taxed for buying a used dildo, which has already been taxed when it was bought previously.


So? It's a different transaction. It doesn't matter if the underlying product has been sold and resold a zillion times.

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Prices tend to be the same in non-sales tax states as in sales-tax states, at least as far as national chains are concerned.


The initial price, yes, but not with the 6% or 7% added to your bill because of state sales tax. Look at your reciepts, for retailers it'll be there.

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May I be the first to tell these 43 states to go fornicate with themselves?

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Nevada of course is on it.

We don't have income tax, sales tax is what generates a lot of tax revenue.

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But I'm not talking about selling. I'm talking about a sales tax, where I would be taxed for buying a used dildo, which has already been taxed when it was bought previously.


ewww, who would buy a used dildo?

 
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