07-06-2005 04:08									#1
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Since Paradox's website seems to be down yet again I will post my question here. What does it take to form Italy and when can it be done? I've taken all of the ethnic Italian proviences except for Tuscony and Napoli but even those two states are my vassals. It's currently 1860 so maybe the date has something to do with it and I have to wait for the historical date of Italies unification though I think that would be lame. Hopefully it just happens when the criteria are met and that the year has no berring on it.

	07-06-2005 05:04									#2
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There were multiple threads about it IIRC.
The only thing i remember at the moment though, I'm afraid, is that I think there was something in there somewhere that wasn't implicitly obvious.
You could just check the events file but I for one really dislike doing that. It just feels a bit much like cheating somehow ...

	07-06-2005 05:11									#3
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IIRC, you need to occupy each one of the Italian minor capitals.

	07-06-2005 11:00									#4
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon There were multiple threads about it IIRC.

Yes there is but since Paradox has been down for several days it is hard to read them.

	07-06-2005 16:05									#5
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Oerdin, here is a link to an AAR of mine as Sardinia-Piedmont. There may a reference to the requirements in there, don't recall.

Sardinia-Piedmont AAR

	07-06-2005 21:45									#6
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Would be nice to know which country you´re playing

The trigger is:

code:
trigger = {
#		event = 5801
		control = { province = 737 data = SAR } # Naples
		control = { province = 840 data = SAR } # Parma
		control = { province = 841 data = SAR } # Modena
		control = { province = 843 data = SAR } # Massa/Lucca
		control = { province = 846 data = SAR } # Firenze
		control = { province = 855 data = SAR } # Roma
	}

	08-06-2005 07:04									#7
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Sardinia-Piedmont. Thanks.

	09-06-2005 05:24									#8
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Check http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

You'll find a shitload of info there, including the answer to your question.

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The more I play Victoria the more I come to the comclusion that the game sucks. It's micromanagement hell without much of a fun upside. EU2 is ace but Vicky...

	09-06-2005 16:12									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The more I play Victoria the more I come to the comclusion that the game sucks. It's micromanagement hell without much of a fun upside. EU2 is ace but Vicky...

Yes, it is different. The MM doesn't deter me. The thing that frustrates me is that there are much fewer nations to play in VIC than in EU2. Of course, you can play practically any nation. But, in EU2, I can take Navarra and play a competitive game, if not finish on top. VIC is so set in the age that I find knocking off Great Britain with any nation out of the top tier to be difficult. Not saying no one can do it, I just can't. Yet.

	11-06-2005 10:17									#11
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Hell, I'm still having trouble getting workers to move to my factories. I build them and no one wants to work in them.

	11-06-2005 16:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hell, I'm still having trouble getting workers to move to my factories. I build them and no one wants to work in them.

Do you have craftsmen and clerks to work in them, that are not already employeed?

	12-06-2005 00:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hell, I'm still having trouble getting workers to move to my factories. I build them and no one wants to work in them.

Educate some of your farmers or laborers to craftsmen and assign them to a factory in that state.

BTW, what do factory clerks do?

	12-06-2005 01:16									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Odin BTW, what do factory clerks do?

They increase efficiency of the factory, regarding organization, paper work, etc. But, you can only have one for each craftsman.

	12-06-2005 20:15									#15
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Clerks also generate research, making them quite important in the long run.

	12-06-2005 22:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The more I play Victoria the more I come to the comclusion that the game sucks. It's micromanagement hell without much of a fun upside. EU2 is ace but Vicky...

I love Vicky. I really enjoy making my economy as good as it can be, and it's not as easy as it sounds

	13-06-2005 00:10									#17
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I've also started a game as Brazil but I can't seem to attract any immigrants. I've even cheated and made every reform in the game and built loads of factories but still no immigrants.

	13-06-2005 01:15									#18
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Are you a democracy?

When I play as France, I get immigrants during the short while I am a democracy (most French parties are "Full rights"). But as soon as Nappy3 kicks in, my whole immigration disappears because of the üpresidential dictatorship/constitutional monarchy

	13-06-2005 02:11									#19
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It's a Constitutional Monarchy but I don't know how to make it a democracy. I've made every reform you can make but still it won't become a democracy.

	13-06-2005 02:28									#20
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Voting rights should make you a democracy automatically... At least that was the case when I accidently made Prussia a republic...

	13-06-2005 02:45									#21
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A constitutional monarchy won't ever become a democracy. (you find it somewhere in the link I posted)

	13-06-2005 02:54									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I've also started a game as Brazil but I can't seem to attract any immigrants. I've even cheated and made every reform in the game and built loads of factories but still no immigrants.

It's probably because you have a conservative gov't that has "residence" or "slavery" as minority policy, if you want to draw immigrants you'll need a liberal govt with at least "limited citizenship", and ideally "full citizenship". (again, it's in the link I posted, go read it )

	16-06-2005 15:07									#23
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China is way easier to play then Brazil since there are no manpower shortages and there are plenty of resources. Once you get civilized status it's pretty simple to just expand like wildfire and use the extra income to industrialize. With Brazil I'm thinking I might start over and just keep assigning the Liberals into power since voters keep electing conservatives. Is there some way to get a revolution so I can just kill the king and declare a democracy?

	17-06-2005 03:30									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Colon It's probably because you have a conservative gov't that has "residence" or "slavery" as minority policy, if you want to draw immigrants you'll need a liberal govt with at least "limited citizenship", and ideally "full citizenship". (again, it's in the link I posted, go read it )

Yeah, but my problem is I can't get a liberal government nor can I switch to a democracy. Brazil doesn't seem to be able to do either without a revolution.

	17-06-2005 03:51									#25
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IIRC there's an event that allows you to switch to democracy later on in the game. But it's not possible to peacefully turn into a democracy from constitutional monarchy.

However, some countries simply don't allow much in the way of democracy or immigration. Maybe it'd be a better option to play Argentina, which receives a lot immigrants in early game, despite being a conservative dictatorship. (at least at easy level - probably hard-coded) That country also has several liberal parties, and its cheap to turn it into a democracy early game, before the mass-immigration takes place.