08-06-2005 02:55									#1
	A few questions Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Has anyone ever heard of a Hindu missionary? A Jewish missionary?

What, pray tell, is an Islamic monestary?

Does Firaxis lack the ability to crack a Religious Studies 101 book?

Please rename some of this stuff, guys.

	08-06-2005 03:37									#2
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Jewish proselytism competed with Christian proselytism in the 100 years or so between the traditional date of Jesus's birth and the Bar Kokhva revolt, after which Jewish proselytization was officially banned by the Roman empire. The rabbis eventually decided that active attempts at conversion were not desirable sometime during the writing of the Talmud. I cannot say with authority that Hindu missionaries did not exist, but certainly the existence of Buddhist missionaries would hint that they were not entirely unheard of in the subcontinent.

As for Muslim monasteries, the Assassins can be considered in some ways a monastic sect. And anyway, even if Islamic monasticism is not necessarily like Buddhist or Christian monasticism, similar ascetic sects did exist that are comparable.

	08-06-2005 04:04									#3
	Re: A few questions Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by The Templar Has anyone ever heard of a Hindu missionary? A Jewish missionary? What, pray tell, is an Islamic monestary? Does Firaxis lack the ability to crack a Religious Studies 101 book? Please rename some of this stuff, guys.

It's just (religious adjective) missionary/monastary/religious thing.

For that matter, has anyone heard of a Babylonian Tank?

	08-06-2005 04:23									#4
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

A far better point than any I made.

	08-06-2005 05:54									#5
	Re: Re: A few questions Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It's just (religious adjective) missionary/monastary/religious thing. For that matter, has anyone heard of a Babylonian Tank?

That's an abstract part of the game. Whereas historical accurracy could be applied to religion in the game, such as it being an Islamic Mosque (not Monastary). Not a big deal all in all, but it would be more appropriate to make it accurrate.

	08-06-2005 06:10									#6
	Got spare money?

I think the term was the same for each religion - monastery, temple, missionary, prophet, etc.

	08-06-2005 06:28									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 I think the term was the same for each religion - monastery, temple, missionary, prophet, etc.

I would prefer, in this instance, if Firaxis made it religion-specific for each term. But again I'm not going to be bothered if they don't.

	08-06-2005 07:47									#8
	Re: A few questions Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: What, pray tell, is an Islamic monestary?

I call that a Mosque.

By the way, is there an Islamic Cathedral? That'll piss off any Muslim...

	08-06-2005 08:07									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by TechWins I would prefer, in this instance, if Firaxis made it religion-specific for each term. But again I'm not going to be bothered if they don't.

I would like that too (though it might take a game or two to get used to some of the more unfamiliar terms).

	08-06-2005 08:17									#10
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: For that matter, has anyone heard of a Babylonian Tank?

Iraqi.

	08-06-2005 09:34									#11
	Re: Re: A few questions Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 By the way, is there an Islamic Cathedral? That'll piss off any Muslim...

That shouldn't be too hard to do.

	08-06-2005 10:57									#12
	Re: Re: A few questions Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 By the way, is there an Islamic Cathedral?

hagya sofia??

	08-06-2005 11:05									#13
	Re: Re: Re: A few questions Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by lebensraum hagya sofia??

You're referring to the Christian one in Constantinople?

	08-06-2005 14:42									#14
	Support Apolyton

This religion thing is getting ridiculous!

- You complain that religion is too individually identified (by using real-world religious names) and want some generic transparency in religion so no one religion is more powerful or individually identified from another.
- You then complain about the generic transparency (generic names for missionarys, generic names for monastarys, etc) and want some individualism in the religions.

MAKE UP YA BLOODY MINDS! You can't have it both ways.

	08-06-2005 15:50									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

They may yet come to regret placing real world religion in the game.

	08-06-2005 16:02									#16
	Increase Your PM Length

that they may

although surely researching this matter could not be that hard afterall their are a few books on the subject

	09-06-2005 01:54									#17
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

watch the missionaries beat tanks

	09-06-2005 04:31									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by Dale This religion thing is getting ridiculous! - You complain that religion is too individually identified (by using real-world religious names) and want some generic transparency in religion so no one religion is more powerful or individually identified from another. - You then complain about the generic transparency (generic names for missionarys, generic names for monastarys, etc) and want some individualism in the religions. MAKE UP YA BLOODY MINDS! You can't have it both ways.

Generalizing are we? Unless you know specifically that The Templar has done both the former and the latter...

	09-06-2005 04:45									#19
	Remove this text

quote: This religion thing is getting ridiculous!

Religion is ALWAYS sensitive topic. Involve religion in ANY discussion, some fire is bound to go ablaze.

quote: Once the Crusaders had breached the outer walls and entered the city almost every inhabitant of Jerusalem was killed over the course of that afternoon, evening and next morning. Muslims, Jews, and even any remaining Christians were all massacred with indiscriminate violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...alem_%281099%29

Anyone read that? Man, those Christians could sure be violent.

===

Yes, I'm trying to start a bit of fire here.

	09-06-2005 04:49									#20
	Got spare money?

its a game people .... a game ....

	09-06-2005 04:54									#21
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Rasputin its a game people .... a game ....

The "game" is not the issue here. It's about the "superiority" of Christian religions over Islamic ones (or anyone else for that matter).

quote: - You complain that religion is too individually identified (by using real-world religious names) and want some generic transparency in religion so no one religion is more powerful or individually identified from another.

A generalized naming system COULD be better - in order to prevent the alienation of real world religions.

I'm sure the "religions" of Native Americans were considered at all. Oh, how it would be interesting to have some Aztec sacrificial temples.

	09-06-2005 05:06									#22
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 The "game" is not the issue here. It's about the "superiority" of Christian religions over Islamic ones (or anyone else for that matter).

be careful of trolling ...............

	09-06-2005 05:22									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Dale This religion thing is getting ridiculous! - You complain that religion is too individually identified (by using real-world religious names) and want some generic transparency in religion so no one religion is more powerful or individually identified from another. - You then complain about the generic transparency (generic names for missionarys, generic names for monastarys, etc) and want some individualism in the religions. MAKE UP YA BLOODY MINDS! You can't have it both ways.

These are complaints made by two different sets of people. I, for one, have no problem with religions being individually identified, or for temples and other religious buildings having religion-specific names. The problem comes when you try to give bonuses and penalties to each religion.

Other people will likely disagree with me.

So, sorry, collectively we can't make up our bloody minds.

	09-06-2005 08:14									#24
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: The problem comes when you try to give bonuses and penalties to each religion.

And let us look forward to future flame wars involving this topic.

	09-06-2005 09:25									#25
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

who let the oaties out?!!
d'uh, d'uh d'uh doo

quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex watch the missionaries beat tanks

mssr modo will not be pleased!!

quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4Once the Crusaders had breached the outer walls and entered the city almost every inhabitant of Jerusalem was killed over the course of that afternoon, evening and next morning. Muslims, Jews, and even any remaining Christians were all massacred with indiscriminate violence.

orlando bloom will not be pleased.

	09-06-2005 09:26									#26
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

There are no bonuses and penalties specific to religions.

	09-06-2005 09:34									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

oooooooooh . . . . .



a political correctness thread

	09-06-2005 11:20									#28
	Re: Re: Re: Re: A few questions Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Vince278 You're referring to the Christian one in Constantinople?

*lebensraum reaches for a trench-periscope to stare out through the lines of barbed wire; decides "hey, this ersatz coffee ain't so bad after all."

	09-06-2005 12:11									#29
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by lebensraum orlando bloom will not be pleased.

The Jerusalem massacre was during the First Crusade. Orlando Bloom's movie was about the Third. More than a hundred years seperate the two. The Third was no picnic either, Richard I of England killed tens of thousands at the siege of Acre.

	10-06-2005 10:44									#30
	Support Apolyton

On the question of Islamic temples vs cathedrals vs monasteries, one could consider a community mosque to be an Islamic temple, vs the great mosques in Mecca and Medina being Islamic cathedrals (though I would argue that these mosques are far more impressive that Notre Dame or Westminister). Islamic monasteries are a bit harder to qualify, but that may simply be because of my lack of familiarity with the Sufi branch of Islam, which has an ascetic meditative foundation. Sufis must have their own mosques which would be more monastic, although Islam not having a centralized clergy structure makes monasteries almost certainly non-existent as opposed to something like the Franciscan order in Catholicism which is a monastic sect.