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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:35
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
MtG:
a) what was the direction of the original 40 degree straight line flight of the object relative to the horizon?
b) how many degrees above the horizon did it end up when performing rapid maneuvers inside the box of 10 or 15 degrees on a side?
In other words, I want beginning and ending positions for straight line flight.
did angular velocity over this straight line flight appear to be constant? what was the approximate time for 40 degree flight?
did angular speed when maneuvering inside box appear to be constant? what was the approximate time for each leg of flight inside box? From what you've said so far it sounds like it was 10-15 seconds or so.
How certain were you of resolvability into disk? 45 arcseconds is rather small even with a good pair of binoculars. Could disk shape have been due to atmospheric or binocular-related haloing of an unresolvable point source? |
a) South to north, with an apparent heading from due north to a few degrees west of due north.
b) Constant from when I observered it - I first caught site of the movement about 50° above the horizon to my west-southwest to just past north of west, when it started a maneuver with a rapid apparent deceleration and instant displacement west at an apparently perfect 90° (I had a building corner I could compare it against, and then later measure the apparent angle on the building due to perspective from that position.
Angular velocity appeared dead on constant, and flight time to the start of maneuvers was about 30 seconds from when I started seriously wondering what it was, which was about 10-15 seconds after I saw it. My first impression was an atmospherically color-distorted reflection of a large satellite, then I thought about it and said, "naah, I don't think there's any with that orbit" and started making notes and real observations.
Angular speed inside the maneuver box was constant for periods of time, then changed and was constant for other maneuvers. Total time in that box doing maneuvers was over two minutes, then I ran to the front of the building and called over two neighbors, then back, for about 30 seconds more, at which point it's apparent angular trajectory changed to a minimal displacement to the northwest and (within the limits of eyesight and binoculars) a constant dimming for about 3 minutes 20 seconds, until it disappeared.
There were 23 separate changes in direction in the two periods of time I observed it in the box area (minus about 30 seconds to grab neighbors), and the minimum visible stellar magnitude in that area at that time was about magnitude 4.2 (based on checking the dimmest visible stars against star maps.)
The appearance was very distinctly like that of a planetary disk, approximately Jupiter size at opposition. (I have a reticle eyepiece with a 1 arc-minute division on a dismounted 8 x 50 guide scope, as well as the binoculars. Aircraft lights had disctinctive flare and astigmatic aberrations under the seeing conditions that night, which were unusually good for being 100 meters from a bay, and 1 km from the ocean in an urban area. Luckily, the view to the WNW is pretty free of light pollution, and RH was low that night.
Obviously the disklike appearance could be the result of distortion, but it was a dead-on ringer for a planetary disk, which is why I first assumed that it was a reflection of the sun off a satellite for the first few seconds I saw it.
Last edited by MichaeltheGreat on 09-06-2005 at 20:14
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by child of Thor
I want to do the boat thing too - although i'd like to use a viking longboat, like that famous scandinavian explorer/sailor guy(he did crossing the pacific from south america some time in the 70's as well i think?). Thor somebody or other.
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I guess that you mean Thor Heyerdahl - and yes, he crossed both the pacific and the atlant in ancient boats, but never in a longboat.
Still, he had a VERY interesting life :
http://www.greatdreams.com/thor.htm
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child of Thor
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Originally posted by Zero
My alien told me never to tell anyone where he touches me. |
Yes i guess many of the alien 'probings' could be down to this sort of thing, or fantasies about such things 
BUT many of the UFO sightings are a very different kettle of fish. Some could be experimental aircraft etc, but accounts like MtG's show aircraft manuovers that are just not physicaly possible with any of the technologies we know and use.
We even have accounts by the military of various unexplained ufo sightings, and documented accounts like MtGs of what either pilots or ground crew saw.
They ran a tv program a while back revisiting some of these cases and the people that had been involved(ex-military mostly), a very fascinating subject and with all the sightings we do know about, some are very very beleivable.
What it all means and what should be done about it, who knows? Are there ET's out there or Borg, maybe both, maybe something completely alien to our experience?
Space is huge though,and we are a very small, but noisey little speck on the outer edge our our galaxy. Maybe worth a look? :ufo: 
@BlackCat - yeah thats the guy  , the longboat must just be mixing him up with another guy.
A link to back up my theories 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...r_UFO_sightings
Last edited by child of Thor on 11-06-2005 at 19:54
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