08-06-2005 23:16									#1
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4071124.stm

The one man who believed their stories - thats a bit of a blow to more than his family and friends

Anyone had an alien experience they care to admit to?

	08-06-2005 23:21									#2
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That happened last year.

I have not had an alien experience, and neither has anyone else.

	08-06-2005 23:22									#3
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor Anyone had an alien experience they care to admit to?

Yeah. I once got drunk at a pub and woke up with the wolf-woman from Sirius under my arm.

	08-06-2005 23:26									#4
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Early this year, I saw an extremely odd and distinct UFO for several minutes, and my neighbors saw it for a portion of that time after I went to get them.

The flight behavior, color, and physical characteristics of the thing was just bizarre, and I have yet to come up with anything (and I'm an aerospace/rocketry geek) that would explain what we saw.

Not quite the same as stories about little grey things playing with my DNA and drilling random holes in my teeth, though.

	08-06-2005 23:28									#5
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Unless discussions with Kidicious count, no.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That happened last year. edit.....

Ah damn! - i've lost a whole year what the hell happened........maybe those bright lights?

As a serious comment i could also offer my 'hovering ghost hedgehog' experience as maybe being of alien origin?

@ Agathon - that's too common place to be a ufo incident surely?

	08-06-2005 23:34									#7
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"Early this year, I saw an extremely odd and distinct UFO for several minutes, and my neighbors saw it for a portion of that time after I went to get them.

The flight behavior, color, and physical characteristics of the thing was just bizarre, and I have yet to come up with anything (and I'm an aerospace/rocketry geek) that would explain what we saw.

Not quite the same as stories about little grey things playing with my DNA and drilling random holes in my teeth, though."

HAHAHA!

I'm soo glad.

I saw some lights once too. Rather boring after a while, and there was an air war going on ...Jets vs Miami, so after a while I went with the ball game over the aliens. Still, it happened. I saw it. Impossible, but they do exist.

Ha!

	08-06-2005 23:36									#8
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor @ Agathon - that's too common place to be a ufo incident surely?

Why not? I was in orbit at the time. Re-entry was hot and painful.

	08-06-2005 23:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Early this year, I saw an extremely odd and distinct UFO for several minutes, and my neighbors saw it for a portion of that time after I went to get them. The flight behavior, color, and physical characteristics of the thing was just bizarre, and I have yet to come up with anything (and I'm an aerospace/rocketry geek) that would explain what we saw. Not quite the same as stories about little grey things playing with my DNA and drilling random holes in my teeth, though.

I've got a good friend who has a simular experience from about 12 years ago in the uk. As you say the way the thing moved in the sky, its colour and shape were all not 'normal' - he really doesn't know what it was either.

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UFOs have rational explanations. We just don't know what they are yet.

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that is 'politician' speak Che!

so that makes them UFOs - cool

I've decided i have to vote yes - that 'ghost' thing i saw as a kid was 'flying', definately was an 'object' and still to this day remains 'unidentified' - as it was so small i feel a bit cheap, maybe its half a yes vote?

I've met quite a few people who claim to have seen bonafide ufo's - even a few guys who go around to the 'hotspots' with cameras etc.

I've always wanted to have a good ufo experience, like chill out with the alien dudes and explain we all dont need anal probes etc, and most of us would settle for a nice pint of beer and a chat instead.

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	08-06-2005 23:57									#12
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Non-random vector and velocity changes over an extended period of time and significant arc of the sky (approximately 40° observed straightline flight, then a 10° by 15° box)

Aerobatic maneuvers far beyond the capability of any manned flight and far beyond the flight performance envelope of any UAV.

No aspect or luminance changes on a resolvable disk light source of about 45 arc-seconds diameter, until a straight vector change with linear dimming for two minutes and twenty seconds.

Color of light source did not correspond to any signal or navigation light, or any color of light from combustion of any aviation or rocketry fuel source - not even similar.

Based on the times to make different arc transits in the sky, I did some quick calculations of distance v. velocity, and then estimated a minimum distance based on lack of sound, and total inability with very high end binoculars to resolve anything beyond a single light source, even when the object passed in front of other light sources, I came up with some size v. distance estimates.

The range of possibilities totally eliminated any UAVs, the uniformity and invariance of the light source plus non-random vector changes eliminate any natural phenomena I've ever heard of, and the rate of vector change and distance/speed and size/distance estimates eliminated any manned aircraft.

So I'm open to any further suggestions.

	09-06-2005 00:02									#13
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I suggest you were mistaken.

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Is Art Bell still on?

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I can explain away some as drug enduced. But some accounts i've been told have been by very 'straight' people.

And from the sounds of it MtG wouldn't just make it up for a laugh - i believe him

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I suggest you were mistaken.

I figure my observations, recordings and notes trump your bald-ass assertion from 3000 miles away, especially when two other people saw the same thing with me.

And I don't even believe in little grey things drilling holes in crackers' teeth.

	09-06-2005 00:19									#17
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@ MtG

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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I can explain away some as drug enduced. But some accounts i've been told have been by very 'straight' people. And from the sounds of it MtG wouldn't just make it up for a laugh - i believe him

First I thought it was a satellite, but it was moving in the wrong direction, then it started maneuvering, so I thought it was an experimental aircraft at high altitude (Vandenburg AFB isn't far away in terms of flight time, and this was offshore), until the aerobatic show got a little intense for that.

MCAS Miramar is real close, and after this thing was gone, I saw a couple of F/A 18's going off for a night training flight, and that gave me a real good base of comparison to what I'd just seen a few minutes before.

Whatever it was, it was damned interesting to see its behavior.

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Sure, you're not the alien?

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If I was, and the taxi came by, do you think I'd still stick around here?

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How swift were the acrobatic maneuvers? There's probably a lot of lighter-than-air vehicle research that they aren't making public.

I have heard of flying saucer research going back decades, but as far as I gathered, they don't really have good tech on that yet.

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Mike, I've lent my considerable credability, and my personal story, to your assertion and still people disbelieve. Go figure.

Get used to it btw.

Were they skull sucking locust aliens or just run of the mill greys?

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You guys who are refuting MTG, I have a question for you.

WHAT is there to refute, from MTG's posts? He has said that he does not know what he saw -- he's not making a hasty, absolute claim that it was an extraterrestrial spacecraft.

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No, MrFun is right. It might have been Ronald McDonald doing some test flying in his new 'McSaucer'.

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Yes, exactly my point!

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Non-random vector and velocity changes over an extended period of time and significant arc of the sky (approximately 40° observed straightline flight, then a 10° by 15° box) Aerobatic maneuvers far beyond the capability of any manned flight and far beyond the flight performance envelope of any UAV. No aspect or luminance changes on a resolvable disk light source of about 45 arc-seconds diameter, until a straight vector change with linear dimming for two minutes and twenty seconds. Color of light source did not correspond to any signal or navigation light, or any color of light from combustion of any aviation or rocketry fuel source - not even similar. Based on the times to make different arc transits in the sky, I did some quick calculations of distance v. velocity, and then estimated a minimum distance based on lack of sound, and total inability with very high end binoculars to resolve anything beyond a single light source, even when the object passed in front of other light sources, I came up with some size v. distance estimates. The range of possibilities totally eliminated any UAVs, the uniformity and invariance of the light source plus non-random vector changes eliminate any natural phenomena I've ever heard of, and the rate of vector change and distance/speed and size/distance estimates eliminated any manned aircraft. So I'm open to any further suggestions.

1. It's a firefly.
2. Go a little lighter on the tequila amigo.

	09-06-2005 00:46									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DanS How swift were the acrobatic maneuvers? There's probably a lot of lighter-than-air vehicle research that they aren't making public. I have heard of flying saucer research going back decades, but as far as I gathered, they don't really have good tech on that yet.

Apparent changes in vector in the range from 70° to 110° in a fraction of a second, while the object was moving across the sky in excess of 1° of arc per second, all the way to extreme low apparent speed maneuvers - almost a dead stop and sharp angular movements in three dimensions - at least it appeared from the ground to be a perspective view of a series of 90° degree maneuvers.

In the alley out back there's a power line that has very little sag on the low voltage wires - they're almost but not quite straight line, and that was another good visual set up for checking out the directionality of the movement.

The other problem with lighter than air or UAVs is that in order to see it at all at night, it would have to be a lot closer than a larger object, and then the "light" should have had some visible flicker or illumination change, and when it passed in front of a star (twice), I should have seen some sort of silhouette with binoculars.

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quote: Originally posted by Adam Smith 1. It's a firefly. 2. Go a little lighter on the tequila amigo.

1. That was one hell of a firefly.
2. My tequila of choice is Herradura silver. Can't get much lighter than that.

	09-06-2005 01:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat edit....... s - almost a dead stop and sharp angular movements in three dimensions - at least it appeared from the ground to be a perspective view of a series of 90° degree maneuvers. edit.......

That sounds very much like my friends description, although he saw his 'ufo' in daylight walking his dog down a country lane in devon. He thought it was about the size of a cricket ball at first - he saw it just over the hedge line. It was silver/light grey and seemed to be hovering then proceded to do a few high speed moves like you mentioned. After maybe a minute it just went straight up incredibly fast and was lost from his sight.

He's now a finacial advisor and sticks by his story, even after all the grief the rest of his buddies(me included) gave him over the years

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I'm not disputing that MtG saw something. I'm reserving the liberty to doubt he's got a very good handle on how quick it moved, how constant the brightness was, etc.