09-06-2005 04:27									#1
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I am uber close o beating it right now with my Open Palm (Light side for those of you unfamiliar)
and about halfway with my closed fist (dark side) guy.

I want to create a chi based girl, becasue my other two have been chi based dudes.

I ma stuck trying to find out what the coolest thing is to do in Lord Lao's Furnace.

Any ideas? Other comments? etc.?

	09-06-2005 06:28									#2
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I rented it a while ago. A fun game. But I don't see the point of buying it, given that its about 20 hours long. And I might ad that after having played all these Bioware games, I had a been-there-done-that feeling.

	09-06-2005 12:13									#3
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Yeah this one was quite similar to KOTOR and has made me apprehensive about buying KOTOR 2.

The biggest problems are the lack of sidequests, and the lack of areas to explore. They are both a bit related. Parts of it are just annoying to have to run around in. My cure for the annoying waste of time running from one end of the level to the other is to use focus and book it.

The game is quite easy to 100% it just takes a lot of simple work.

The fighting engine is better than KOTOR 2 in that you are more in control. It is more Real Time based, and doesn't have your attacks stacked, and allows for blocking and dodging.

The game was very addicting at first but is beginning to lose its luster on my third trip through the world.

There is pretty much good and evil paths, ther is the option of going your own way but it always seems to be a fraction as fun as the original two trips.

The main frustruation is that the game stops short of itself, and makes you feel cheated. There are many many fighting styles in the game but not enough time to master more than two. You could go through the game again and try to master different fighting styles but it obviously gets tearfully repetitive, and worst of all BORING.

Jade Empire feels like it was abandoned early and rushed through production.

If they had given it more time and planning they could have had a really exceptional and sensational game that would have been a step up.

There are only two areas to explore. Three if you count the original town of Two Rivers, but that is more of a tutorial stage and you can't go back to it after a while anyways.

The game almsot makes a mockery of itself when you ask Kang to fly you somewhere and there is only one option for a place to fly, yet you still have to move the cursor over to select the town in question.

The mini games are ok, but don't really offer much. I preferred the shooting from KOTOR, to the classic gaming that they offerh here. Again, it makes the game feel rushed.

overall a 4 out of 5

Not deserving of the 49$ price tag.

	09-06-2005 12:19									#4
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I have this game and I think its good. Beat it first with Open Palm and again on Closed Fist.

Shoot, I didn't even know about Lord Lao's furnace until my Closed Fist guy wised up. It's kind of hard at first, but you gotta get the configurations.

I think theres Rat, Ox, Horse, Rabbit, and a few more. Lord Lao rules.

I like the game because I actually believe in some of the philosophies and metaphysical ideology in the game. Yeah, it does have that been-there-done-that feeling, but just experiencing it and going through it still kicks booty.

I just like it cause it reminds me of those old skool kungfu movies out there. I like those. The music is good too.

I hope there are more goodies when you beat the game on both Open Palm and Closed Fist...

	09-06-2005 12:32									#5
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Yeah, game seems a bit rushed. Your right in that it's like only two main area's with little "side area's"

Tiens Landing.

Imperial City.

I didn't like the endings, I felt they were extreme copouts. But looking at all the variables at the end, I think I can understand why they did it that way, still I felt cheated.

I really didn't like the lack of emotion on the characters. If my guy is a baddie, I want him to frown! Or do that evil-grin thing!




I too feel that the game stopped short of itself and if more possibilites were explored, it would have been a definite shoe-in for Game of the Year. I'd also give it a 4 out of 5.

	10-06-2005 05:15									#6
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quote: I think theres Rat, Ox, Horse, Rabbit, and a few more. Lord Lao rules.

?????
Could you explain?

All I've gotten from Lord Lao's furnace, is a couple of different demons, some ghosts, a puff of smoke, ghosts, gender change, and nothing.

quote: I like the game because I actually believe in some of the philosophies and metaphysical ideology in the game.

ditto.

	10-06-2005 14:02									#7
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Lol,

Ok ok. The configurations, you gotta actually read them to get the intended outcome, baby.

It took me a while and I saw monkeys as well as fought rat demons/horse demons/etc. But if you read the config. right, you get a good reward.

If you need more help, I'll try and help you out...but finding it out yourself about Lord Lao and his Furnace kicks a**.

	10-06-2005 14:38									#8
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Ok, thanks.

I will ring if I grow tired.

I was on the official Jade Umpire forums, and the fanboys there calculated nearly 301 different combinations so I was feeling a bit lost.

	11-06-2005 00:38									#9
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Holy Crap!!!

But just so you know there are

Whirling Cogs
Conductor
Clapper Chimney
Water Wheel
(Boiler Thing...name escapes me)...its the machine in the middle.


It took me forever to realize there was 5 machines instead of 4. Maybe that's why your configurations are coming out like mine were initially. Watch out though, cause if you really screw around with the furnace sometimes an elephant demon pops out.

That's usually when I stopped messing with the machine...

	12-06-2005 03:31									#10
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I like fighting elephant demons. They're afun challenge.

The coolest elephant demon is the one who guards the spirit of the forest. The whole fight is really hard, and I always leave him for last. Its really hard becasue I'm generally low on health and chi, and have to use a half depleted focus bar to take him out.

	16-06-2005 06:16									#11
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is this game ever coming out for the PC?

	16-06-2005 11:05									#12
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Diss: Very much doubt it.

Everyone else: Have you guys watched the Making Of video on the "Limited" Edition?

	16-06-2005 11:26									#13
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okay then, when are they putting out the Xbox 2? Maybe my brother will get it, and I can get his Xbox 1. .

	16-06-2005 12:48									#14
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Asher...you're fricken EVIL did I not just say I don't have the Limited Ed. and WISHED I bought it? Bastid.

Jade Empire is good if you like Kung Fu movies, like "The Box" like Ash does, and like BioWare products...they put a lot of thought into their games.


Evil, Asher.....that's just wrong dude.

	16-06-2005 23:48									#15
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I think that JE2 will be a better game, simply because it'll probably allow more exploration and fully fleshed stories (instead of 'stopping short'). I liked reading all the scrolls and stuff about Chinese mythology. It was great fun.

The story was top notch, IMO, and a very interesting game world. I'm not sure if I liked it or KOTOR2 better. Jade Empire won on story (if simply for KOTOR2's ending), but I like the KOTOR fighting better, and the choices/options you have in KOTOR2 are better.

Oh, and the best part is the cameo by John Cleese! LOL!

	20-06-2005 10:06									#16
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Oh, that's who that is?! I thought I recognized that biritsh guy's voice!

Right now I'm am LOVING K O T O R I I!!

The fighting is really fun and challenging, nad hte story has me guessing about a million things right now.
Plus they have introduced Prestige classes Jedi Watchmen, Master, and I think GUardian.

I chose watchmen, but I really wanted to try being Master.

Force powers, and feats are about the same which is good. The game has a differnet focus which is much better.

This gmae stresses the effects of your actions.

I also like how you can break down, and create items from other items. Overall, a lot better than KOTOR 1. I'm not with it yet though.

I must say htough that Jade EMpire does rise above it with the Chinese mythology. That was a real treat to read, but once again JE stops short of itself, and so far KOTOR 2 hasn't.

	20-06-2005 10:45									#17
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So basically Jade Empire is not worth buying? Its a rental?

	20-06-2005 12:47									#18
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I'd say JE was worth buying. I don't regret the purchase at all. It has some very good strengths that lead some to claim it to be the best Bioware game ever, and they may be right.

	22-06-2005 07:37									#19
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Its worth playing all the way through. I'd say though, that it's not worth the fifty dollar price that msot new games have. I got it as a gift, and it was quite wonderful indeed.

As to being the best Bioware game ever. No.

It is very good. but I'd have to say that KOTOR2 so far has outdone it, but that is really hinging on how it ends.

Again JE impaled itself upon itself by feeling like it was too rushed in the development process, and thus was obviously missing some rather important elements, and was much shorter in terms of amount of gameplay.

JE is a great game but not the best that Bioware has produced.

	22-06-2005 09:41									#20
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear Its worth playing all the way through. I'd say though, that it's not worth the fifty dollar price that msot new games have. I got it as a gift, and it was quite wonderful indeed. As to being the best Bioware game ever. No. It is very good. but I'd have to say that KOTOR2 so far has outdone it, but that is really hinging on how it ends. Again JE impaled itself upon itself by feeling like it was too rushed in the development process, and thus was obviously missing some rather important elements, and was much shorter in terms of amount of gameplay. JE is a great game but not the best that Bioware has produced.

I'm sorry but the ending in KotOR II is probably one of the worse Bioware has ever made.

	22-06-2005 09:53									#21
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But if JE is 20 hours or so long, its not worth buying. Like Fable wasn't worth buying.

	23-06-2005 00:17									#22
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Well....Fable didn't live up to the hype that everyone thought it would...it was more constricting than everyone thought. Even Peter Molyneux (the creator of Fable) apologized for saying more about the game then he should have. Something about him being really excited about the games he makes and he tends to say stuff that he wants in the game that might not make it.

Nevertheless, I liked Fable. You can do a lot in that game that you can't in other action RPG's. True, I wanted a heck of a lot more and I believe if they worked on the game for a little longer it would have rocked. But, the game was good IMHO.

You can stick the middle finger at people then laugh at them as they say "That's disgusting". Or do the 'pelvic thrust' to hot girls...



How come you didn't like Fable, nostromo?

	23-06-2005 00:35									#23
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Make no mistake, it was a lot of fun. If it wasn't worth buying, its because it was far too short. I should have rented it instead.

	23-06-2005 09:52									#24
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You're right though, it is pretty short even after you try do most of the sidequests.

But rent? That's your excuse for everything.

	23-06-2005 10:59									#25
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You never rent games? Its a great way to find out if you like a game or not. And its also a great way to play a game thats fun, but not worth buying, a game like Fable for example.

	24-06-2005 01:08									#26
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo But if JE is 20 hours or so long, its not worth buying. Like Fable wasn't worth buying.

Most console games are 20 hours or so. They are still worth buying. I like to reward the creators of innovative games with my cash, rather than rewarding Blockbuster . Besides, renting is annoying... which is why I have Netflix for movies now.

	24-06-2005 11:13									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Most console games are 20 hours or so. They are still worth buying. I like to reward the creators of innovative games with my cash, rather than rewarding Blockbuster . Besides, renting is annoying... which is why I have Netflix for movies now.

That's because you have money to burn. I try not buy short games, even if they are great. Games are expensive and I expect to have my money's worth. That's why I didn't buy Jade Empire.

I wonder if Netflix works in Canada. Probably not.

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Thanks!

	11-07-2005 16:29									#30
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For those of you who've been through it at least aq couple of times already, which are your favourite techniques? Is it worth saving your level-up skill points to use on techniques that you'll only get later in the game, or do you need them straight off to give yourself a half-decent chance?
I like the horse demon technique, because you only need to have it for a second or so, and it will cure all status effects you may be suffering. Then back to another technique for the rest of the fight.