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Asher is offline Asher
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NHL, players agree on salary cap, Globe reports

CTV.ca News Staff

The National Hockey League and its players may be one step closer to ending their disagreement, with word they have found common ground on a salary-cap system.

According to a report published on the Globe and Mail website Wednesday night, the NHL and its players' union have agreed to a team-by-team salary floor and cap, based on a percentage of each team's revenue.

Since before the 2004-05 hockey season was officially cancelled in mid-February, the salary cap has stood as the stickiest of the negotiating issues.

Claiming skyrocketing salaries were pushing them towards insolvency, team owners argued that a cap would be the only way to ensure the league was profitable. Players, on the other hand, dismissed the idea of arbitrary caps on their earning potential.

When negotiations fell through earlier this year, the total team salaries owners and players were willing to live with stood at approximately $42.5 million US and $49 million US, respectively.

Under the new reportedly 6-year plan, the Globe reports total team salaries would be capped in the range of $34- to $36 million US, with a floor of $22- to $24-million.

There is also provision for a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax that kicks in when team payrolls exceeds the midway point between the league average floor and cap.

Although the agreement represents a breakthrough -- considering the two sides have been at odds since the players were locked out last September -- there are a number of deal-breaking issues left to sort through, including qualifying contract offers, salary arbitration and free agency.

Nevertheless, an unnamed source told the Globe there is a chance the two sides could come to terms on a new collective bargaining agreement before July.

Neither the league's chief negotiator, NHL vice-president Bill Daly, or his NHLPA counterpart, senior director of business affairs Ted Saskin, have yet confirmed or denied the report.

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Most of the recent reports and discussion I have seen indicate the players have been tools, and I'm inclined to agree. I still blame the owners for getting the league into the mess in the first place, but it's looking more and more like the players are to blame for the strike itself.

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Lockout. Not strike.

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Meh, same deal.

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I hope when it does come back some of the old ****ers are retired.

I'm looking at you Brett Hull, Steve Yzerman, and Chris Chelios

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Looks like the owners broke the players' union. That'll probably be better for the future of the game. Better to be more like the NFL than MLB.

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Yeah, but what if they threw a hockey match and nobody came?

... which is quite likely at some venues here in the States when this lockout is settled.

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Good. Then we can get teams back to venues where people actually care about hockey.

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no salary cap, look how it has ruined football. down with US socialistic run sports.

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The Sharks still suck, cap or no cap.

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if the refs had done their jobs and suspended that cheap little finnish ***** on your team, you wouldnt have anything. the flamers play dirty, because they have no skill, and if the refs had been on top of things, there would have been three guys in the flamers penalty box at least once a game.

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Interesting point by David Shoalts at the Globe. The new deal could salaries so low that NHL will lose young stars to Europe.

" it looks like the clock will be set back 10 years for entry-level salaries, to $850,000, what they were when they were introduced in the previous agreement. The owners are demanding that total salary and bonuses be limited to a total of $1.2-million a year, while the union has offered a total cap of $1.7-million.

"Under the old deal, entry-level players were limited to $1.3-million in salary and signing bonuses, but some, including Kovalchuk, Dany Heatley, Rick Nash and Joe Thornton, had the opportunity to make millions more in performance bonuses.

"Those bonuses will probably be eliminated, and could convince some European prospects to stay home rather than join the NHL, thus depriving the league of talent as it tries to rebuild after missing a season.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...BNStory/Sports/

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Does this mean the NHL isn't going to die?

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I can honestly say the NHL's slow spiral towards death over the last year hasn't effected my life one bit. I can only hope they go the way of the XFL.

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I can honestly say the NHL's slow spiral towards death over the last year hasn't effected my life one bit. I can only hope they go the way of the XFL.


Only if we can send the NBA the way of the XFL.

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I can honestly say the NHL's slow spiral towards death over the last year hasn't effected my life one bit. I can only hope they go the way of the XFL.


**** off.

I don't care if you don't want hockey teams around you. That's cool with me.

Just tell the NHL that they're never going to be a major sport in NA the same way B-Ball, baseball and football are, so they can stop trying to expand into shitty southern markets like ****ing Nashville and we can get back to the good old days when Winnipeg and Hartford had teams.

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Just cause I wanted the Expos to die doesn't mean I wanted MLB to die...

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Teams in Winnepeg and Hartford couldn't generate enough money to be profitable before. They will have no more success now. To have sucessful teams in all the old Hockey cities would require salaries so low, all the stars would be playing in Europe.

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Why does any athlete need to make tens of millions of dollars a year? Or any actor/actress for that matter? Or CEO?

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No, seriously.
F*ck these whining, spoiled yuppies. F*ck 'em all.

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Only if we can send the NBA the way of the XFL.


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People get whatever the market is willing to bear regardless of 3rd party definitions of it being just or deserved.

Question:
How much is it worth?

Answer:
Whatever someone else is willing to pay.

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The old model is why teams relocated from Winnipeg and Hartford.

If the players care so much about playing in North America to take a pay cut, then sure, it will happen, but I don't see them looking out for anyone other than themselves.

North America doesn't need professional hockey to get their fix, they will go and do what they have always been doing, and that is going to watch minor league games. After all, these tickets are affordable and you can take a family out to a game, without breaking the bank.

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No, seriously.
F*ck these whining, spoiled yuppies. F*ck 'em all.


Why do you side with multimillion owners who's wealth dwarfs even the most outrageous player salery? What do they do to earn that money? Seriously, **** 'em.

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People get whatever the market is willing to bear regardless of 3rd party definitions of it being just or deserved.

Question:
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Whatever someone else is willing to pay.


Unless someone rigs the game with salary caps.


The players deserved the money they were earning because they have rare talents, the owners were willing to pay the salaries and people pay money to see the players, not the owners.

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Why do you side with multimillion owners who's wealth dwarfs even the most outrageous player salery? What do they do to earn that money? Seriously, **** 'em.


Because he's seen the health of the NFL, where the owners have broken the players' union and have created the best functioning sports league in all of the North America, by far.

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