09-06-2005 06:58									#1
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Actions taken in 1550 BC

- new settler moves 4 into BC-52s

- worker Rhoth: moves 999
- worker McM: roads fur
- worker Platy: moves 699
- worker Wittlich: roads grassland

- Horseman Tina Turner moves 22-notices several DR units and moves back 89 to hill
- Half of Stack of Doom on western mountain (minus horseman Tina Turner) moves 3 to hill.
- Half of Stack of Doom on eastern mountain moves 2 to rejoin stack 1 on the hill.

- New swordsman Keith Richards 4/4 fortifies in Metallica
- New swordsman Bruce Springsteen 4/4 fortifies in U2
- swordsman Mick Jagger 4/4 fortifies

- horseman Gwen Stefani 4/4 moves 628 from U2 to see what she could see of Sidon. Nothing.

- catapult Drum Beater fortifies
- catapult Electric Guitar Hucker fortifies


- AbbA: worker in 1. WF to 3,6,7,12,15 (f18/20 +2; s6/10 +4)
- U2: swordsman in 4. WF to 2,8,17,20 (f19/20 +1; s5/30 +7)
- Nirvana: swordsman in 6. WF to 1,4,7,8 (f0/20 +3; s8/30 +4)
- Metallica: spearman in 2. (10/20 +2; s16/20 +2)
- BC-52's: swordsman in 2. WF changed to 3,4,11,12 (f0/20 +2; s16/30 +7)
- Beach Boys: catapult in 6. (f18/20 +2; s6/20 +3)


Construction in 6 turns @ 60% science
10% luxuries
+2 gpt with 7 gold in treasure @ 30% taxes

Diplomacy:

Remarks
- Total War Balance: lost 4 archers, 1 spearman & 1 warrior vs eliminated 3 horsemen and 1 warrior = 110 shields lost vs 100 shields.
- We are still AVERAGE towards DR and AVERAGE to BOH!
- DR 4/4 horseman Yul Brynner and 3/3 warrior Fred both moved out of range of Metallica.
- Four DR 4/4 immortals spotted 8 of Inner Sanctum
- Four DR workers spotted roading on the mountain 8 of Invictus[/b]




Proposal for actions in 1525 BC


Diplomacy
Get BOH to attack Sidon.

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Last edited by Rhothaerill on 09-06-2005 at 07:50

	09-06-2005 06:59									#2
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And the units I spotted in the south

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	09-06-2005 07:49									#3
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If anyone is curious why I went to the hill instead of the mountain, it's a bit of a trap. Our defense isn't quite as good (effective 3 instead of effective 4). If DR uses those 4 immortals to attack us we'll probably lose two and win two unless we get horrible RNG luck again. Plus we can eliminate the remaining immortals in that stack with minimal risk to the stack. 4 vet immortals for 2 spearmen (assuming decent RNG) is well worth it. If they don't go for it then no big deal we'll continue on.

Another advantage of the location is the fact that from here we can also use our horses to attack Trevor and the 4 workers on the mountain if DR does not reinforce them. One horse is well worth killing a warrior and capturing 4 slave workers

	09-06-2005 07:51									#4
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Also, we need to convince BOH to get some more units over here and attack Sidon to draw some of DR's units that way (don't tell them that of course )

	09-06-2005 14:23									#5
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No worries over BOH... Their plan is to attack Sidon anyway. First concern was to defend us in order to have us move out massively. When they have their troops assembled in our territory, Sidon is their target.
First we draw all attention towards us, then BOH tears their army or walks over DR from Sidon. Don't forget Babs are on their way as well from the south west. That smile you have is justified...

	09-06-2005 15:29									#6
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as far as we know, DR has no city with a harbor?

would hate to see a flank manuever by galley

	09-06-2005 20:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by McMeadows No worries over BOH... Their plan is to attack Sidon anyway. First concern was to defend us in order to have us move out massively. When they have their troops assembled in our territory, Sidon is their target. First we draw all attention towards us, then BOH tears their army or walks over DR from Sidon. Don't forget Babs are on their way as well from the south west. That smile you have is justified...

I posted that before the conversation snoop and I had with Paddy.

	09-06-2005 22:48									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex as far as we know, DR has no city with a harbor? would hate to see a flank manuever by galley

I don't have the game open in front of me right now, but no I don't believe they have a city on the ocean yet. One is close but I don't think it's a coastal city.

And we know that as of two turns ago they hadn't tried any flanking maneuver to the east of the mountains as I had a spear as lookout over there before he joined the SOD.

	09-06-2005 23:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill I posted that before the conversation snoop and I had with Paddy.

And I read that conversation after I had posted...

Most of the contents of that conversation was allready discussed between Paddy and me. Most probably I didn't report all of it well enough, but it was not required to push him that much. BOH is cooperating very well with us. Paddy got back to me saying the horde was a little confused on either defend us or attack DR.

I have stated that for now defense is still their major objective, WHILE they assemble their troops in our land. Only when:
1. They assembled all their (main) troops, and
2. We arrive at the DR border, (indeed attracting a lot of attention from DR towards that edge).
They can move in on DR, IF DR hasn't moved in on Euphorica before. In that event, BOH will slash the inbound DR-troops.

At the moment it looks like the latter is going to happen. BOH is aware, very well organised and very well committed to make it happen. They shouldn't rush. Turn 56 to move out didn't fall from the sky.

Again I should have done a better job reporting. Sorry for that.

	09-06-2005 23:10									#10
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I think snoop and I were just confused on what the plan actually was. I admit to executing it without knowing the reasoning why we were leaving on turn 56, when BOH still didn't have many units to protect us.

Now that we've all spoken with Paddy about it I think we're all on the same page again.

	10-06-2005 06:54									#11
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I'm concerned a bit actually that they are going too slow, and i'd like to make sure it's not because of our request.

BOH will in my opinion serve our defense best by going directly to Sidon. That will take 6 turns or so from now for the fully assembled Horde. We are 3 turns away from our target city, possibly 4.

I really, really don't want any 'slow' suggestions coming from our camp. I think that Ljube and Paddy are being too slow/defensive in their decisions, and anythink from us asking them to slow down is probably a bad thing.

There's absolutely no chance of them attacking us w/o knowing it and BOH being able to help - the only possible attack is from Sidon or from the east (where we are) at the moment - and we know where over 50% of their possible immortal strength is (8 from their capital). I'm very, very worried that BOH will delay more from the Sidon attack, and make the two-prong attack fail as a result ...

	10-06-2005 17:09									#12
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This whole campaign has been carefully planned over the past month, when you seemed to be unavailable Snoopy. I have neglected to keep you posted welle enough. I'm sorry for that.

However, please show more faith in BOH. Your approach has not been appreciated. I have been explaining Paddy BOH is not our slave all day. You gave out orders to them. BOH is busy assembling their units in our territory and WILL attack Sidon. Has been taking care of. Meanwhile they'll be able to counter a panick offense by DR. I would not have been all that suprised if they would have done so. At the moment it doesn't seem to be happening, but they did their maths and know we have few units in our homelands. A quick assembly of 5 horsemen could be devastating in such a case. That's where BOH fits in. Meanwhile we are still moving our stack. As soon as it arrives BOH will most probably start moving.

	10-06-2005 17:10									#13
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You have mentioned yourself that you're sometimes too eager. I think this is one of those occasions.

	10-06-2005 22:03									#14
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Hmm, DR passed the save on 7 hours ago and no battle reports have been posted. I suppose that means they didn't fall into my little trap. Oh well, I didn't really expect them to fall for it.

I'm curious to see if they protected their worker stable 8 of Invictus though.

	11-06-2005 04:52									#15
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Countermeasures by DR.

I'd like to suggest starting to concentrate on development again. War is shaping up. I'd like to see us catcj up on science (libraries) and expansion (workers/settlers) soon.
How about a library in AbbA, with 2 chops available...

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