09-06-2005 10:00									#1
	Bushes tax cut.... now say it with me slowly.... RAISED YOUR TAXES Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

High tax cuts for the rich meant less money from federal grants to state goverments for state run programs....

Programs(which include things like education!) once started NEVER dissapear so state goverments need to make up the revenue so state goverment and local community goverments.... say it with me.... so they RAISE taxes.... which come out of you wallet, John Q American.

When I try to explain this to people I don't get any sort of rebbutal, I just get a blank stare or "No... that can't be" without any sort of logical rebbutal.

*grummble*

	09-06-2005 10:01									#2
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The whole tax cut thing has been a fiasco.

It was based on 10 years of consecutive surpluses...

	09-06-2005 10:02									#3
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HEY who cares? We can spend 275 bil to invade a foreign country for no gain for ourselves!

Why is it that people can not understand the concept that we have to actually generate revenue for all the money we spend?


It does not MATTER how much you want to spend it and how you justify that it is worth while..... we are now tremendously in the hole, even worse then before.

I'd love to see some figures on budget short falls between various presidents, hard to find that info though. I bet Bush might win.

Aren't republicans supposed to be fiscal conservatives? OH that is only with their own money.... not ours, gotcha. We gotta pay this 275 bil back.......

	09-06-2005 20:44									#4
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Vesayen statement is a manifestation of Zkribbler's 1st Law of Taxation:
The amount of taxation is set by the spending rate, not by the tax rate.
Deficit budgets do not reduce taxes but merely delay them.

	09-06-2005 20:47									#5
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I'd like to see less Federal taxation for a while and more state taxation. Then us rich states won't have to pay for the poor states.

	09-06-2005 22:33									#6
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'd like to see less Federal taxation for a while and more state taxation. Then us rich states won't have to pay for the poor states.

That's very un-commie of you

	09-06-2005 22:40									#7
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Che's going through the Change of Life, where Radicalism gives way to Tradition.

	09-06-2005 22:43									#8
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That comes with responsibility... and money.

	09-06-2005 22:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor That's very un-commie of you

It's not about economic fairness. It's about red staters opposing everything blue starters stand for, and then making blue starters pay for the red states problems. Blue states = liberal & rich, red state equal conservative & poor.

	10-06-2005 00:40									#10
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The great paradox of American politics:

If the blue states are rich, and the red states are poor, then why do the politicians the red states support defend the rich's "right" to make the poor poorer?

Things would be so much easier if someone could just provide a rational explanation for that in economic terms (i.e. no mentioning of social issues)...

	10-06-2005 00:43									#11
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hmmm, reismark is back... must be getting close to football season.

	10-06-2005 00:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's not about economic fairness. It's about red staters opposing everything blue starters stand for, and then making blue starters pay for the red states problems. Blue states = liberal & rich, red state equal conservative & poor.

The red states generally support lower federal tax.

	10-06-2005 00:49									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen High tax cuts for the rich meant less money from federal grants to state goverments for state run programs....

I didn't know federal grants were cut.

edit: Quick research shows a $10.7 billion decline. That's not anywhere near the federal tax cuts.

	10-06-2005 05:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The red states generally support lower federal tax.

But the federal tax scheme as a whole results in a net transfer of Blue State money to Red States.

	10-06-2005 05:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly But the federal tax scheme as a whole results in a net transfer of Blue State money to Red States.

Let's just invade their asses.

	10-06-2005 05:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Let's just invade their asses.

Screw invading; let's just embargo. We've got the movie, tv, and computer industries; the entertainment deprivation alone will bring them to their knees.

	10-06-2005 05:22									#17
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Yeah, that's better. Why would we want those crapy states?

	10-06-2005 05:23									#18
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Actually, election polls consistently show that the more money you make, the more likely you are to be a Republican. It just so happens that the Blue States containe the economic elites of this country, and that the economic elites are sorrounded by large blue cities.

	10-06-2005 05:29									#19
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actually, its not that it 'just so happens,' as if its an accident. its no accident. blue staters have more education, which makes them more money. theses entrepreneurs, with their higher education, get richer because they are smarter and have more oppertunities (see, more smart and educated people around you gives you positive benefits, makes it easier for you to make more money)

	10-06-2005 05:33									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Actually, election polls consistently show that the more money you make, the more likely you are to be a Republican. It just so happens that the Blue States containe the economic elites of this country, and that the economic elites are sorrounded by large blue cities.

They won't care. They're tired of paying the bills for those damn red staters too.

	10-06-2005 07:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'd like to see less Federal taxation for a while and more state taxation. Then us rich states won't have to pay for the poor states.

I sick of my federal tax dollars going to help some uncivilized rednecks in Alabama.