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Justice Sunday Preachers
by MAX BLUMENTHAL

[posted online on April 26, 2005]

Senate majority leader Bill Frist appeared through a telecast as a speaker at "Justice Sunday," at the invitation of the event's main sponsor, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins. "Justice Sunday" was promoted as a rally to portray Democrats as being "against people of faith." Many of the speakers compared the plight of conservative Christians to the civil rights movement. But in sharing the stage with Perkins, who introduced him to the rally, Frist was associating himself with someone who has longstanding ties to racist organizations.

Four years ago, Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America's premier white supremacist organization, the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South. In 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke.

As the emcee of Justice Sunday, Tony Perkins positioned himself beside a black preacher and a Catholic "civil rights" activist as he rattled off the phone numbers of senators wavering on President Bush's judicial nominees. The evening's speakers studiously couched their appeals on behalf of Bush's stalled judges in the vocabulary of victimhood, accusing Democratic senators of "filibustering people of faith."

James Dobson, who founded the Family Research Council as the Washington lobbying arm of his Focus on the Family, invoked the Christian right's persecution complex. On an evening when Jews were celebrating the second night of Passover, Dobson claimed, "The biggest Holocaust in world history came out of the Supreme Court" with the Roe v. Wade decision. On his syndicated radio show nearly two weeks earlier, on April 11, Dobson compared the "black robed men" on the Supreme Court to "the men in white robes, the Ku Klux Klan." By his logic, the burden of oppression had passed from religious and racial minorities to unborn children and pure-hearted heterosexuals engaged in "traditional marriage."

Bishop Harry Jackson, from Hope Christian Church in College Park, Maryland, was Justice Sunday's only black speaker. Jackson had recently unveiled his "Black Contract With America," a document that highlights wedge issues like gay marriage that would presumably pry black churchgoers away from the Democratic Party. But so far he has been disappointed. "Black churches are too concerned with justice," Jackson lamented in his speech. Nonetheless, his association with the right wing has done wonders for his personal profile. Just after Bush's second inauguration, he was among a contingent of black clergy members invited to the White House for a private meeting.

Justice Sunday also featured a token Catholic, William Donohue, who heads the nation's largest "Catholic civil rights organization," the Catholic League. In the battle to confirm far-right judicial nominees like William Pryor, who happens to be Catholic, Donohue has become a key asset for the Christian right's evangelical faction. He has argued that Democratic senators opposing Pryor and others are motivated by anti-Catholicism. "There isn't de jure discrimination against Catholics in the Senate," Donohue claimed on Sunday. "There is de facto discrimination. They've set the bar so high with the abortion issue, we can't get any real Catholics over it."

But for all his concern with anti-Catholicism, Donohue had no qualms about sharing the stage with Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Dr. Albert Mohler. "As an evangelical, I believe that the Roman Catholic Church is a false church," Mohler remarked during a 2000 TV interview. "It teaches a false gospel. And the Pope himself holds a false and unbiblical office." Donohue, who has protested against Democrats who have made no such comments about Catholics, was silent about Mohler. In fact, the site of Justice Sunday, Highview Baptist Church, in Louisville, Kentucky, is Mohler's home church.

"We're fed up and we're on the same side," Donohue declared. "And if the secular left is worried, they should be worried."

For Tony Perkins, Justice Sunday was the fulfillment of a strategy devised more than two decades ago by his political mentor, Woody Jenkins. In May 1981, in the wake of Ronald Reagan's presidential victory, Jenkins and some fifty other conservative activists met at the Northern Virginia home of direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie to plot the growth of their movement. The Council for National Policy (CNP), an ultra-secretive, right-wing organization, was the outcome of that meeting. The CNP hooked up theocrats like R.J. Rushdoony, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell with wealthy movement funders like Amway founder Richard DeVos and beer baron Joseph Coors. As DeVos famously said, the CNP "brings together the doers with the donors."

Jenkins, then a Louisiana state lawmaker, became CNP's first executive director, and promptly made a bold prediction to a Newsweek reporter: "One day before the end of this century, the Council will be so influential that no president, regardless of party or philosophy, will be able to ignore us or our concerns or shut us out of the highest levels of government."

Eighteen years later, in 1999, the CNP was addressed by Texas Governor George W. Bush, on the eve of his presidential campaign. At the gathering, which was closed to the press, Bush reportedly sought to put to rest any notion that he was a moderate. Later, when he was asked to release to the public a transcript of his speech to the CNP, Bush stubbornly refused. But the press reported rumors that he had promised the CNP he would appoint only antiabortion judges if elected.

For years, Jenkins had been grooming Perkins as his political successor. "To Jenkins, Perkins was like a son, and the feeling was and is mutual," wrote former Jenkins staffer Christopher Tidmore. In 1996 Perkins cut his teeth as the manager of Jenkins's campaign for US Senate. It was during that campaign that, in an attempt to consolidate the support of Louisiana's conservative base, Perkins paid David Duke $82,000 for his mailing list. After Jenkins was defeated by his Democratic opponent, Mary Landrieu, he contested the election. But during the contest period, Perkins's surreptitious payment to Duke was exposed through an investigation conducted by the FEC, which fined the Jenkins campaign.

Six years later, in 2002, Perkins embarked on a campaign to avenge his mentor's defeat by running for the US Senate himself. But Perkins was dogged with questions about his involvement with David Duke. Perkins issued a flat denial that he had ever had anything to do with Duke, and he denounced him for good measure. Unfortunately, Perkins's signature was on the document authorizing the purchase of Duke's list. Perkins's dalliance with the racist Council of Conservative Citizens in the run-up to his campaign also illuminates the seamy underside of his political associations. Despite endorsements from James Dobson and a host of prominent CNP members, Perkins was not even the leading Republican in the senatorial race.

In the wake of his defeat, with Dobson's blessing, Perkins moved to Washington to head the Family Research Council. In a closed meeting at the Plaza Hotel in New York City during the Republican National Convention in August 2004, an alliance drawing in Frist was sealed. Perkins's associates at the CNP presented the Senate majority leader with its "Thomas Jefferson Award." The grateful Frist declared, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement."

On Justice Sunday, Perkins introduced Frist as "a friend of the family." "I don't think it's radical to ask senators to vote," Frist said from a giant screen above the audience. "Only in the United States Senate could it be considered a devastating option to allow a vote." His face then disappeared, and Perkins returned onstage to urge viewers to call their senators.

But there is more at stake here than the fate of the filibuster. With Justice Sunday, Perkins's ambition to become a national conservative leader was ratified; Bill Frist's presidential campaign for 2008 was advanced with the Christian right; and the faithful were imbued with the notion that they are being victimized by liberal Democratic evildoers.


Very interesting. So the head of the FRC not only has ties to a known racist, he lied about the ties as well. Sterling representation, there!

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Christians and conservatives were the enemies of every example of moral progress in the last 1000 years. Consider something that you feel good about... freeing the slaves, equal treatment of Jews, women, atheists, etc, and the Church opposed it at the time.

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Why am I not surprised?

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I think this goes to show that Dems and Repugs are more alike than we care to let on.

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* chegitz guevara initiates the Japher project.

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Is that where we genetically engineer purple ppl to persecute?

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Christians and conservatives were the enemies of every example of moral progress in the last 1000 years. Consider something that you feel good about... freeing the slaves, equal treatment of Jews, women, atheists, etc, and the Church opposed it at the time.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Although some churches were pro-slavery, some were anti-. Read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" if you want to see a different Christian view of slavery.

And John Paul II was a great supporter of the Jews.

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Very interesting. So the head of the FRC not only has ties to a known racist, he lied about the ties as well. Sterling representation, there!

Jesus CHRIST Boris! We've just gone over the Byrd thing, and you defended him, as usual. This guy is involved with a former KKK officer, and you gloat about it and claim your moral superiority. But if a former KKK officer is actually elected to the Senate, that's just fine with you.

It really is the (D) next to his name.


You know, if I were a wizard, there is no doubt in my mind that I would slay you.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Although some churches were pro-slavery, some were anti-. Read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" if you want to see a different Christian view of slavery.

And John Paul II was a great supporter of the Jews.


Not to mention that many of the civil rights leaders in the US were ministers and definitely used the bible as basis for their beliefs.

Oh and conservative is really a modern concept. It isn't really honest to force historical movements into a modern lense.

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Jesus CHRIST Boris! We've just gone over the Byrd thing, and you defended him, as usual. This guy is involved with a former KKK officer, and you gloat about it and claim your moral superiority. But if a former KKK officer is actually elected to the Senate, that's just fine with you.

It really is the (D) next to his name.


You know, if I were a wizard, there is no doubt in my mind that I would slay you.


I knew this would bring you out with such a thoughtless comparison.

It's not even the same thing:

Perkins is the head of a religious organization that is all about preaching moral values. Perkins not only had his links with the KKK recently (1996 as opposed to the 1940s), he lied about his links with them.

Byrd hasn't lied about his KKK involvement--and has, in fact, apologized for it--and he wasn't giving their members money recently. On top of that, Byrd isn't acting as a representative of moral, Christian values--he's a senator.

It's an issue of hypocrisy--Perkins' hyposcrisy. Try some critical thinking next time.

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There were a multitude of white Catholic priests and white Protestant ministers in the 1950s and 60s who joined the noble cause of the Civil Rights movement.

So you were saying?

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It's like NAMBLA teaming up with GLBT?

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Guys that's bollocks and you know it... JPII's tolerance for the Jews reflects the time, as did the civil rights ministers in the 20th century... it's a different story for both issues in the 18th and 19th century.

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Er, tons of abolitionists were preachers of some sort, or devout churchgoers. And this stupid argument, which I've heard many times, applies in both directions: Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were not super-religious. It didn't stop them from being butchers. The reason? Power can corrupt anyone, regardless of belief. Because, until recently, most of the civilized world has been fairly devout, men of faith naturally wound up in positions of authority, where they turned crooked like anyone else given excessive power. If it comes to that, almost all of the people who committed atrocities in the past were, in addition to Christian, white. Does that mean Farrakhan and company are right, that honkies like me are innately evil? No, in all likelihood it's just due to the people with most of the power being a certain way, then going the way of all flesh. Have the world dominated by atheists or deists for a few milennia, they'll turn into rotten hypocrites soon enough.

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Christians and conservatives were the enemies of every example of moral progress in the last 1000 years. Consider something that you feel good about... freeing the slaves, equal treatment of Jews, women, atheists, etc, and the Church opposed it at the time.


Actually in the early nineteenth century abolitionism and women's rights were an integral part of the evangelical movement in both the US and England. The hymn "New Jerusalem" a favorite of nineteenth century English evangelicals, strongly proclaims a socialist agenda.

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There were a multitude of white Catholic priests and white Protestant ministers in the 1950s and 60s who joined the noble cause of the Civil Rights movement.

So you were saying?


Indeed, the Bishop of New Orleans even denied communion to pro-segregation Catholic politicians.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Although some churches were pro-slavery, some were anti-. Read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" if you want to see a different Christian view of slavery.

And John Paul II was a great supporter of the Jews.


Not to mention that many of the civil rights leaders in the US were ministers and definitely used the bible as basis for their beliefs.

Oh and conservative is really a modern concept. It isn't really honest to force historical movements into a modern lense.


No, I think that conservatism as a concept goes way back in one form or another. In eighteenth century Engalnd "Tories" were the conservative party of the King, "whigs" were their opposition. In France even before the revolution the "right" favored the status quo and the "left" favored reform.

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I knew this would bring you out with such a thoughtless comparison.

It's not even the same thing:

Perkins is the head of a religious organization that is all about preaching moral values. Perkins not only had his links with the KKK recently (1996 as opposed to the 1940s), he lied about his links with them.

Byrd hasn't lied about his KKK involvement--and has, in fact, apologized for it--and he wasn't giving their members money recently. On top of that, Byrd isn't acting as a representative of moral, Christian values--he's a senator.

It's an issue of hypocrisy--Perkins' hyposcrisy. Try some critical thinking next time.

You would know about hypocrisy.

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Boris, I'd say you're an example of a straight fag except you actually are gay

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Yada yada yada. Still not relevant to the point.

Stupid crackers.

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You are, however, a white nigger.

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