10-06-2005 19:56									#1
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I am not expecting floating cities in this game a la SMAC, since that would not really be in the realm covered by this game, however I do think there should be some room for some Civ IV equivalent of kelp farms and sea mining. Perhaps instead of the harbor improvement automatically increasing resources harvested from the sea, the harbor enables you to direct sea improvements from within the city screen? That eliminates the need for a seagoing worker and accomplishes the same tasks.

	10-06-2005 19:58									#2
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http://apolyton.net/civ4/3/78/128/ near the bottom

At least some form of harvesting resources from sea tiles is known to be in .

	10-06-2005 20:02									#3
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That's sort of what I had in mind, actually. I like.

The question remains then of how one actually conducts improvements at sea? It would be pretty silly to have a sea worker with such a limited amount of improvements to have them do. I could also see fishermen being a special unit a la SMAC's supply crawlers.

	10-06-2005 20:10									#4
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We don't know that yet, although one of the E3 videos showed that there's a unit called Work Boat. Besides, if we have seen those two sea improvements, that doesn't mean there are more.

The good part is that navies will then be useful to pillage enemy resources at sea . The presence of sea-based improvements in CtP was also quite a factor in making navies important.

	11-06-2005 03:37									#5
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In CtP, I always thought the enemy ships pillaging my trade routes was kind of neat.

If it enhances navy, I'm all for it. I like building navies in Civ, so naturally I play a lot of arch maps.

	11-06-2005 04:08									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke I am not expecting floating cities in this game a la SMAC, since that would not really be in the realm covered by this game, however I do think there should be some room for some Civ IV equivalent of kelp farms and sea mining. Perhaps instead of the harbor improvement automatically increasing resources harvested from the sea, the harbor enables you to direct sea improvements from within the city screen? That eliminates the need for a seagoing worker and accomplishes the same tasks.

I've never heard of anyone doing sea mining. In fact, the only exploitation of undersea resources I can think of is the use of oil platforms.

	11-06-2005 09:12									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I've never heard of anyone doing sea mining.

There's salt but that may actually be considered harvesting.

	11-06-2005 09:21									#8
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They do that with coastal installations, though, don't they?

	11-06-2005 16:21									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I've never heard of anyone doing sea mining. In fact, the only exploitation of undersea resources I can think of is the use of oil platforms.

Off Cornwall and the north east of England you can go out under the sea into mine tunnels-

quote: Lastly, 'sea-coal' has also been used for those reserves of the mineral under the North Sea that pits like Easington, Dawdon and Wearmouth accessed - until so recently....

http://www.seaham.i12.com/sos/sea-coal.html

quote: Rinsey mine, Cornwall - There are three engine houses on the coast of Mount's Bay, between Porthleven and Praa Sands. Wheal Prosper - above Rinsey Cove was built in 1860, though the mine was worked earlier in the century, producing an average of 860 tons per year from 1832 to 1849. It finally ceased production in 1865. Wheal Trewavas - 2 engine houses for the under sea copper mine.

http://www.cornish-links.co.uk/mines.htm


It makes for a very interesting experience hearing rocks roll around on the seabed above you.

	11-06-2005 21:17									#10
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Either way, I support the expansion of this game into the realm of the sea. I never was one on navies in prior Civ games, but if navies and naval improvements are important in this game I will definitely make use of them

	11-06-2005 21:43									#11
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More random chance that strategic resources (on land) get exhausted, and must be mined then on coastal waters in the last part of the game.

	12-06-2005 05:39									#12
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Off Cornwall and the north east of England you can go out under the sea into mine tunnels-

Touche.

	14-06-2005 05:19									#13
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There are a huge amount of untapped resources under the sea.

	14-06-2005 10:04									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I've never heard of anyone doing sea mining. In fact, the only exploitation of undersea resources I can think of is the use of oil platforms.

I agree. Although I have heard of several instances of sea mining apart from oil platforms, none are significant enough in scale to appear in the game. Offshore oil platforms are another matter though - they would be a nice if unnecessary addition. Sea 'farms' could also potentially be in the game they already are quite important.

Of course, in the future this is likely to change as exploitation of sea resources is likely to increase dramatically, but CivIV does not deal with the future...

	15-06-2005 11:25									#15
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I'd like to see those tidal power farms built someday.

	15-06-2005 14:29									#16
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are we sure those nets are tile improvements?...i heard that they had animations for workable tiles so couldnt it just be that?

	15-06-2005 14:31									#17
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Worked tiles are animated, 'terraformed' tiles just have the graphic displayed.

	15-06-2005 14:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I'd like to see those tidal power farms built someday.

As long as the negative aspects are edited out, I´m all for it

	15-06-2005 14:43									#19
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Like ecosystem disruption, Dr. Zoidberg?

	15-06-2005 14:44									#20
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Yes. I want to have my cake and eat it at the same time

	15-06-2005 14:44									#21
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So why the edit then?

	15-06-2005 14:45									#22
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What edit?

	15-06-2005 14:46									#23
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Back to topic!

	16-06-2005 09:24									#24
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Back to topic!

What was the topic?

	16-06-2005 15:59									#25
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Sea improvement, duh