11-06-2005 07:46									#1
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...but not in the way you think.

Since relations were normalized with Vietnam in 1996, the United States has become Vietnam's biggest trading partner. We have big multinational operations there, including companies like Cisco, Nike, and of course, Coca-Cola.

Anyway, many of my friends are originally from Vietnam, and call home frequently to get the latest news. They are saying there is a rumor going around that the US wants a military base in Vietnam, especially since the Phillipines won't grant them access to have a major military installation.

I seriously doubt this could ever happen, but stranger things have already.

June 19th, the Prime Minister from Vietnam is coming to the White House, the highest official ever from that country to arrive, since the fall of Saigon.

Many in the community are very angry that Bush has acknowledged the visit from the Prime Minister, and are feeling betrayed because they supported him during the elections. Many want him to address human rights issues.

This is the only article I could find on the upcoming visit:

http://www.nysun.com/article/14666

ps. I notice that we don't pick on Vietnam the same way we do with Cuba. Neither one is a threat. Double standard? Could it have to do with Miami politics? Duh.

	11-06-2005 07:50									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker ...but not in the way you think. Since relations were normalized with Vietnam in 1996, the United States has become Vietnam's biggest trading partner. We have big multinational operations there, including companies like Cisco, Nike, and of course, Coca-Cola. Anyway, many of my friends are originally from Vietnam, and call home frequently to get the latest news. They are saying there is a rumor going around that the US wants a military base in Vietnam, especially since the Phillipines won't grant them access to have a major military installation. I seriously doubt this could ever happen, but stranger things have already. June 19th, the Prime Minister from Vietnam is coming to the White House, the highest official ever from that country to arrive, since the fall of Saigon. Many in the community are very angry that Bush has acknowledged the visit from the Prime Minister, and are feeling betrayed because they supported him during the elections. Many want him to address human rights issues. This is the only article I could find on the upcoming visit: http://www.nysun.com/article/14666 ps. I notice that we don't pick on Vietnam the same way we do with Cuba. Neither one is a threat. Double standard? Could it have to do with Miami politics? Duh.

Well, Cuba is a lot closer than Vietnam is.

	11-06-2005 07:51									#3
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The Vietnamese have been floating this idea for a decade but the US hasn't bit. No need for such a base thanks to today's longer range more sea worthy navy. Subic Bay would have been closed anyway but the greed of the Phillipine government just pushed that forward. They demanded a ton of money for a base we didn't really need so we told them we were taking are money and going home.

With friendly ports in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, and Thailand we have east Asia covered without expensive new bases or even reviving old closed bases.

	11-06-2005 07:53									#4
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First time I have seen a link to the NY Sun, the Conservative Broadsheet in NYC....

As for California "recognizing" the South Vietnamese flag..recognizing it as what, exactly?

	11-06-2005 08:03									#5
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Yeah, I wasn't sure what that paper was GePap. Is it any good?

I'm not sure what the recognition is, but I see that flag flying all over the place. There are more Vietnamese here than any other place besides Vietnam, sortof like Jews in New York City. So probably that's where the idea to recognize the flag came from:

	11-06-2005 08:08									#6
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People are free to fly any flag they want. Government recognition would have to mean something, thought. Obviously California can;t decide what the flag of Vietnam is.

Anyone from Cali care to clarify what this Senate bill would actually DO?

	11-06-2005 08:12									#7
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Maybe it's just symbolic...

	11-06-2005 08:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker ...but not in the way you think. Since relations were normalized with Vietnam in 1996, the United States has become Vietnam's biggest trading partner. We have big multinational operations there, including companies like Cisco, Nike, and of course, Coca-Cola.

We're sorry, GI. Come back, please!

	11-06-2005 08:16									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GePap As for California "recognizing" the South Vietnamese flag..recognizing it as what, exactly?

As a way to get votes from Vietnamese Americans.

	11-06-2005 08:18									#10
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Yep

	11-06-2005 08:49									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin As a way to get votes from Vietnamese Americans.

That's a given. BUt what does recognition mean? Its not like California can force any Vietnamese consulates to fly that flag. If a foreign dignitary comes, you fly their flag, not one approved by a state legislature..

In short, does that bill have any practical applications, or is it a waste of time vote pandering bill.

	11-06-2005 08:52									#12
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Would you hit it?

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FO SHO!

	11-06-2005 10:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by GePap That's a given. BUt what does recognition mean? Its not like California can force any Vietnamese consulates to fly that flag. If a foreign dignitary comes, you fly their flag, not one approved by a state legislature..

Jesus... that would be the international incident of international incidents.

	11-06-2005 10:07									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Would you hit it?

Anh sẽ đòn đó.

	11-06-2005 12:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GePap People are free to fly any flag they want. Government recognition would have to mean something, thought. Obviously California can;t decide what the flag of Vietnam is. Anyone from Cali care to clarify what this Senate bill would actually DO?

Kiss ass to the largely former ARVN lackeys who make up a good portion of the self-proclaimed Vietnamese "leadership" in California.

It's not much different from Berkeley and San Rafael's city councils deciding to have their own foreign policy.

	11-06-2005 12:05									#17
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I just can't wait for their lesbian armies to conquer me.

	11-06-2005 12:14									#18
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When and where does that happen???

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer I just can't wait for their lesbian armies to conquer me.

Berkeley and San Rafael are more artsy-fartsy and hippie chick types, sorry. Oh, and to be an object of conquest for them, you have to be bipedal. Better bandage up those knuckles and use a little aloe on them.

	11-06-2005 12:21									#20
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:licks balls:

huh? doh!

	11-06-2005 12:42									#24
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Ted, what's the deal? One of the Miami Heat Dancers is Vietnamese or something? You going in with the troops?

	11-06-2005 12:44									#25
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Hmmm...I think there was a Viet girl from last year's squad.

But be leading the way back in.

FULL CHARGE

	11-06-2005 12:46									#26
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"FULL CHARGE"

Don't forget your visa because they don't accept American Express.

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	11-06-2005 13:01									#30
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither We're sorry, GI. Come back, please!

it has more to do with a fear of China in all likelyhood.