14-06-2005 04:54									#1
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... by Eugene Jarecki.

Has there been a thread here already about it? If yes, could you please link to it?

Thanks!

Carolus

	14-06-2005 04:56									#2
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Erm, did you try searching?

	14-06-2005 15:10									#3
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Erm, have you ever noticed that subject head-lines often do not reveal what the threads are about?

Or does the search feature really scan every Apolyton post (and not just head-lines)?

Carolus

	14-06-2005 15:20									#4
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Erm, if you use specific keywords and limit your search to the active OT (archived threads really don't count since they're archived) then the search function can actually be functional. It isn't always so bug-ridden...

Anyway, since it's been a day and a half with no other responses, we can probably go ahead and begin your discussion.

I have not heard of "Why we fight"

	14-06-2005 15:59									#5
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so tell us why DO we fight?

	14-06-2005 16:38									#6
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I used to watch that show back in the early 1990's. It was originally done in the early 1940's as a propoganda piece against the Axis.

	14-06-2005 17:40									#7
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The Why We Fight series can be purchased from International Historical Films, I've gotten a couple of them myself. Here's a link:
http://www.ihffilm.com/francapwhyw.html


EDIT: I just did a Google search and Eugene Jarecki's Why We Fight apparently has nothing to do with Frank Capra's WW2 series:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/docume...-we-fight.shtml
It appears to be a documentary about US post-WW2 militarism.

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	24-06-2005 15:00									#8
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Of course it has nothing to do with it...

It sheds some very interesting light on the connection between US foreign policy (past and current) and the US military/defense industries... Can you spell b-i-g b-u-c-k-s?

It's far better than Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11... The strength of it is that the facts come from people who have been involved in this dirty business...

I saw it on danish TV... Well worth two hours of your time!

Carolus

	24-06-2005 15:05									#9
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I fight for the sugar...

JM

	24-06-2005 15:14									#10
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I fight for my right to party.

	24-06-2005 15:40									#11
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You must be really...really...really old.

	22-07-2005 05:59									#12
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So... Has anyone seen it yet?

It's highly recommendable...

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:00									#13
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I don't fight. I will never support war again.

	22-07-2005 06:01									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex So... Has anyone seen it yet? It's highly recommendable...

link?

	22-07-2005 06:02									#15
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You have supported war? The Iraq war?

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:03									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex You have supported war? The Iraq war? Carolus

yes I supported the Iraq war. I feel bad about that.

	22-07-2005 06:05									#17
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I spell girl with a b.

AND I love to fight.

And I think even though WWII, it totally rocked in a way that we have now interesting material and documentaries and propaganda material. WAR.. it's a RUSH!

	22-07-2005 06:05									#18
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IW,

A short description can be found here:

http://festival.sundance.org/2005/f....aspx?film=5745

Dis,

I'm glad you changed your point of view (or are you trolling?)!

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:09									#19
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I should be more honest. While I don't support war, I can't help but be fascinated by it, and interested in it.

For instance, I was very fascinated by the account of the navy seal who escaped certain death in afghanistan recently. He shed all his equipment and ran for miles before collapsing in a local village. where a village leader reported him to the american forces. I would like to learn more about the operation and what happened there.

As for the afghanistan war. I'm undecided on that one. It's really beyond my control anyways. What I feel has no bearing on the world. But I feel we are over our heads. The U.S. just doesn't have the capability to wage a war of this magnitude.

	22-07-2005 06:14									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Dis I should be more honest. While I don't support war, I can't help but be fascinated by it, and interested in it.

Well, this is true for most people. You almost sound ashamed of it, why?

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:16									#21
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because it's not cool to be excited about people being killed.

But you can't help but think of the glorious battles of ww2.

but then when you see the first hand effects of war (as in Iraq), you feel bad for the people living in those places.

We americans have had the luxery of never having war waged on our territory since the 19th century. We get to see all the glorious victories, but none of the bad stuff. Though the media has changed that slightly. But that trend has reversed itself with Fox news which doesn't show the bad stuff in war.

	22-07-2005 06:31									#22
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As you say, media (especially the film industry) has glorified war... I don't believe there exists such a thing as a "glorious battle" in the real world...

Being interested in war is quite human IMHO...

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:35									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dis but then when you see the first hand effects of war (as in Iraq), you feel bad for the people living in those places.

Be happy that you have that feeling of empathy... I know grown-up up men (collegues of mine I'm sad to say), to whom war is like an exciting video game...

Carolus

	22-07-2005 06:50									#24
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Haven't seen it and if it was shown on DR1/2, I would be very supicious. Those channels are a bit biased and I want confirmation from other sources before I belive them.

	22-07-2005 13:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Haven't seen it and if it was shown on DR1/2, I would be very supicious. Those channels are a bit biased and I want confirmation from other sources before I belive them.

Yeah, hey, don't trust my judgment for a sec...

Carolus