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shawnmmcc
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Since one of our loyal posters - Che - has mentioned an interest in concealed-carry, I am continuing the great Apolyton tradition of a serious best handgun for concealed-carry purposes. Please note the criteria.
1) stopping power
2) maintaining site picture - i.e. accuracy of follow-up shot given average wrist strength
3) ability to accurately take off-hand shot, i.e. one handed. I know that in law enforcement 80% fo all incidents where the officer has to discharge his gun fulfill this criteria.
4) usefulness for the amateur - pro's will not need this thread
5) expense - weapon and ammo
6) how well it can be concealed
edited because part of number (3) was deleted and to renumber criteria
Last edited by shawnmmcc on 15-06-2005 at 20:45
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shawnmmcc
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Don't worry, Che. Safeties, the feature on most firearms designed to prevent accidental discharge, are by and large effective. There might be a few handguns where they are less than effective, but I don't know individual models that well to know which are less safe - I'm a rifle and shotgun man anyway.
My new rig will be a Smith&Wesson 9mm Sigma (purchased on sale new for $289 just before my last round of medical problems) in a left-handed paddle holster (it clips to the belt). 1000 rounds of ammo is quite inexpensive, plus if I purchase the dies I can use my current reloading equipment afterwards. 1000 rounds should cost you somewhere between $120-$150 plus the holster will easily cost you $70-$90, though you can get them for less.
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Space05us
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Che should attend classes for handgun safety and classes (usually taught by crazy white supremacists) about how to effectively use your handgun in a fight.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You forgot one of my requirements. Not inflicting a self-induced wound when retrieving the weapon.
I'm voting banana cuz I have no opinion and I wanna see the results. |
First, learn to handle the weapon correctly and safely. The dumbass at the beach a few weeks ago shot himself with a Glock, which has a handgrip safety - you've got to be exceptionally stupid to do that.
Second, realize that if you carry concealed, but have to jack a round into the chamber and flip the safety off, and the ******* you want to take out is ten feet away from you, you're in a bit of trouble. A dumbass will run, I'd make sure you never got to get that piece into action.
Third, realize if you go for large caliber in a small frame, it'll kick like a mother****er, so you need to spend some range time to make sure you don't flinch.
My personal recommendation is the Sig-Sauer P229 in .40 S&W. I personally prefer the .357 Sig version, but the ammo is more expensive, so I picked the .40 as an alternative for you. .45 ACP is too big for a compact frame auto - if you're not used to it, you'll have a dent in your forehead to match the ringing in your ears if you ever have to fire in a combat situation.
You don't want full metal jacket (FMJ) rounds for live combat firing, because if you miss, they have too much potential to do downrange damage.
Get Glaser safety slugs - they're partly jacketed, nylon capped and have 300 or so tiny little steel balls. They break apart on contact with the first thing they hit (so no downrange penetration of a buiding if you **** up and miss they guy you're trying to shoot), and they'll deal serious damage (full kinetic energy transfer) to your target.
Learn to shoot accurately, and to clean and maintain your piece to perfection, and make them both religious practices. If you ever need it, you want it to do the job and hit the target you wanted to hit.
Whatever you do, don't buy a cheap piece of **** - if you haven't got the budget, don't bother, because you're dealing with life and death, and once you draw on someone, the stakes for all parties go up drastically.
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Dr Strangelove
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Get an M-119 self propelled howitzer. They even have laser guided rounds. No one will mess with you.
Gang bangers often carry their guns tucked under the beltline. I've often wondered if carrying the gun like that might put pressure on the handgrip sufficient to release the handgrip safety, potentially inflicting a loss of status within the gang.
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shawnmmcc
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I've used an Ithaca Model-37 pump action shot-gun for home defense for years. You forgot one other item - the sound of a pump shotgun being chambered when the MF in your house doesn't have the person pumping the shotgun in his sites is an EXTREMELY intimidating sound. I plan to get a programmable doorbell and record that sound when my little girl is older and starts dating.
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Dr Strangelove
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quote:
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Get Glaser safety slugs - they're partly jacketed, nylon capped and have 300 or so tiny little steel balls. They break apart on contact with the first thing they hit (so no downrange penetration of a buiding if you **** up and miss they guy you're trying to shoot), and they'll deal serious damage (full kinetic energy transfer) to your target.
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Are these legal? They sound nastier than dum-dum bullets, like they're designed to shred the internal organs of the target.
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shawnmmcc
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Mr. Fun, sadly that kind of bullet (rubber) has substantially less stopping power. If you need your firearm, then you need to be willing to kill someone. My wife was technically a probation officer working with adolescents during one of her internships, and could have gotten a concealed-carry permit before they were widely available in Ohio. She couldn't conceive killing someone, so we didn't get one. Two of the little bastards tried to set her up for a rape, FYI, but she managed to extract herself safely from the situation. She still won't carry.
MtG, I haven't studied pistol rounds much. I've heard anecdotally - from my law-enforcement friend - that they actually have a high immediate lethality. I'm curious about the difference in his statement versus yours.
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15-06-2005 20:36
. there is a small chance the person can die when shocked, but the weapon is still designed to be non lethal. I doubt they could charge you with assault with a deadly weapon. And a self defense defense is much more belieavable.
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