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joncha is offline joncha
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If someone has a wording on the changes we agreed to, I'll update the rules.

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D O _ E _

5 letters, 1 guesses remaining.

Guessed: RUST AI DB DOZEN (DrSpike) DOWEL (Joncha)

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Oh well.

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I promised myself I wasn't going to post until the whole issue of the above pile of _________ (posts ) was resolved, but I am pretty sure i know the word, so I have to offer a guess

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* Sparrowhawk

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Sorry ...

It is "Doyen", the masculine (and harder to guess) form of "Doyenne", which is one (of many) words for a leader (eldest member) of a clan. Used occasionally in fantasy novels, where I ran into it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=doyen

Another word in a sec.

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Good word.

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I was saving it up for a good time.

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5 letters, 10 guesses left.

Guessed:

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Originally posted by snoopy369
I'm fairly sure we changed the rules in the previous thread, but Joncha failed to update them, to say that an update MUST occur at any time that it is required to, before the next guess (word/letter) is made. Or something like that. Honestly I don't agree with that rule either ...

Anyway, I'm not going to count Drogue's, because I'm nice and he's not paying attention, and I think the word guess invalidates the next one. You can sue me if you want. I don't care, it's my point i'm giving up (well, you should guess it IMO either way. Drogue should self-censor himself from guessing, because he really wasn't paying attention, but it's not mandatory).

D O _ E _

5 letters, 2 guesses remaining.

Guessed: RUST AI DB DOZEN (DrSpike)


Surely it doesn't matter what we discussed changing the rules to if we didn't? Following the rules to the letter requires counting Drogue's guess. Selective ignoring of the rules is therefore happening again.

Of course, given the circumstances, it is entirable reasonable to do so, and not in Snoopy's interest as well. It is also a moot point given the word was not guessed anyway. He was over-ruling the rules with common sense as a ruleset (outside of professional games) will not cover every eventuality. Not an unreasonable approach imo.

However, this leads to a situation where some people can selectively enforce rules on other players when they want to and not otherwise. Ergo, Snoopy should have to accept the guess. That's the rules right? All those players who back up their argument by saying yeah it's not perfectly fair but we must follow the rules should now agree.

But I suspect they wont.

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Game on then

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Originally posted by DrSpike
All those players who back up their argument by saying yeah it's not perfectly fair but we must follow the rules should now agree.

But I suspect they wont.




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= admitting double standards?

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The clock is ticking. An hour and a half more for Snoopy and then it's new word.


Doc, some things are logical and need not be listed in the rules. If you insist though, we can include them too in the next revision. I will always be strongly behind the observance of the 24 hour time limit.

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I believe the 24 hours starts from the time when an update is possible. In this case (based on Spike's guess) snoopy has another 4 hours or so.

If the wording of the rule is vague (or if people disagree), we can always change it.

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5 letters, 8 guesses left.

Guessed: GA

Sorry, had a weird work schedule today...

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Doc, my understanding was the rule slash rule interpretation WAS adopted slash forced in slash decided upon, but simply not entered into the OP for this thread. I didn't enter it into mine (Hangman XX) as I wasn't sure of the wording, and as a dissenter didn't want to word the rule myself ... and Joncha forgot slash didn't want to word the rule ether for Hangman 21.

I still stand by my opinion that the GM of any given forum game, and in Hangman the GM changes with the word, has the final say with rule interpretations; and as long as he/she is consistent with his/her interpretations, he/she may interpret rules however he/she pleases, within reason. As word setter, I have the right to determine what is a 'valid' guess and an 'invalid', within the written rules and my interpretation of said rules. If it is determined that I interpret the rules in a flagrantly self-serving and/or pugilistic way in regards to a particular player or group of players, then of course some penalty or modification should result; but that should affect only extreme cases or repeat offenders, and while I maintain a consistent, reasonable interpretation of the rules, I may do as I wish.

Such is consistent with other forum games. Look at GO; the transition from Smiley to Jamski as GM was a particularly drastic one for me, having never experienced a Ljube or Jamski-GMed GO game before; Smiley interpreted several rules in a drastically different way from Jamski's interpretation, yet both games went fine, although it would have been nice to have been warned ...

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All that makes sense to me. But it's not really the issue, which is one of double standards. Be honest, how many times have you seen someone flout the 24 hour rule where no one intervened - including Ljube and Joncha, despite posting.

If you have the rule then it must be enforced on everyone, not when Joncha/Ljube decide they want to in their own interest.

I would also point out that I have often argued (against my own interest btw) that we should give people more time because of x, so it's not just for my words I argue it. I have also never (up to this point) stolen a word from someone invoking the 24 hour rule, despite having many many chances.

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5 letters, 6 guesses left.

Guessed: EGAD

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Now if only you could update Nuclear Bar

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Now if only you could update Nuclear Bar


About to be done. Just got back home after a late night last night and a day on the town, and hangman is faster to do that NB.

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The new thread is here.

The rules still need to be updated, though.

Edit: perhaps we should continue using this thread (or open a seperate one) to hammer out hangman rules, expectations and etiquette so the game thread doesn't get cluttered with it.

Last edited by joncha on 25-07-2005 at 11:01

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possible addition

- if you go over 24 hours you loose a point

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- if you go over 24 hours you loose a point


Sounds fine, if it were applied to all not just a select few.

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indeed... how about all with over 85 points

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