19-06-2005 05:10									#1
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Just wondering...

Do the Civ4 leaderheads change as time progresses as they did in Civ3?

That was cool.

	19-06-2005 09:18									#2
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Bald Joan-of-Arc all the way...

	19-06-2005 19:29									#3
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I hope they also age according to time lived ...

	19-06-2005 20:41									#4
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quote: Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke I hope they also age according to time lived ...

After 6000 years, that would be some nasty appearance.

	19-06-2005 21:30									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Do the Civ4 leaderheads change as time progresses as they did in Civ3?

I think they just are dressed in whatever is the proper clothing for the time the ruler lived in, judging by the screenshots and such... Since there are no hard era lines, then it seems in order for the leaders to change, you still need some sort of events to be triggered maybe by tech advances, or some other things. It doesn't seem to me like that would be the case, judging by the lack of pre-defined eras. I did like the changing leaderheads, though, and maybe they did find some way to incorporate that into the game. Because seeing more modern leaders dressed well in ancient times when people are running around with huge beating sticks would be weird.

	19-06-2005 21:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by vovan ...Because seeing more modern leaders dressed well in ancient times when people are running around with huge beating sticks would be weird.

Well put

I agree that they should change with the times, but I think the lack of predefined eras makes that more difficult to implement

	19-06-2005 23:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai After 6000 years, that would be some nasty appearance.

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	20-06-2005 00:30									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai After 6000 years, that would be some nasty appearance.

6000 wouldn't be so bad.


It's probably around 60-100 years that most leaders would look really 'nasty'.

	20-06-2005 01:17									#9
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Yes, after that they'll look a bit bleak, but for the rest there appearance won't change much.

	20-06-2005 02:26									#10
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So, you'd rather be lead by a 6000 year old than a 60-100 years old?

	20-06-2005 02:28									#11
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Won't you go for eternity?

	20-06-2005 02:30									#12
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Oh, being led by God Himself would not be a bad thing really. Can't get any more eternal than that.

	20-06-2005 02:35									#13
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Even better, you created the whole kabush then.

	20-06-2005 02:40									#14
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While the word "kabush" is not to be found on www.dictionary.com, I'm sure it means something along "thing", as in "the whole thing"?.

Sounds like a good argument though.

	20-06-2005 02:50									#15
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I know. [/humble]

	20-06-2005 05:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by vovan I think they just are dressed in whatever is the proper clothing for the time the ruler lived in, judging by the screenshots and such... Since there are no hard era lines, then it seems in order for the leaders to change, you still need some sort of events to be triggered maybe by tech advances, or some other things. It doesn't seem to me like that would be the case, judging by the lack of pre-defined eras. I did like the changing leaderheads, though, and maybe they did find some way to incorporate that into the game. Because seeing more modern leaders dressed well in ancient times when people are running around with huge beating sticks would be weird.

They could have a predetermined year for the shift.

Ex:

4000BC-AD700 - Ancient
700-1600 - Medieval
1600-1900 - Industrial
1900-2050 - Modern

I know it's kind of arbitrary, but it's an idea.

	20-06-2005 06:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by vovan I think they just are dressed in whatever is the proper clothing for the time the ruler lived in, judging by the screenshots and such... Since there are no hard era lines, then it seems in order for the leaders to change, you still need some sort of events to be triggered maybe by tech advances, or some other things. It doesn't seem to me like that would be the case, judging by the lack of pre-defined eras. I did like the changing leaderheads, though, and maybe they did find some way to incorporate that into the game. Because seeing more modern leaders dressed well in ancient times when people are running around with huge beating sticks would be weird.

It would be really easy to put in, even if they don't have it. Just make the leaderheads change with particular techs. I suspect it would only require some event and inteface coding.

	20-06-2005 07:04									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It would be really easy to put in, even if they don't have it. Just make the leaderheads change with particular techs. I suspect it would only require some event and inteface coding.

Too bad I suck at coding.

	20-06-2005 15:42									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 They could have a predetermined year for the shift. Ex: 4000BC-AD700 - Ancient 700-1600 - Medieval 1600-1900 - Industrial 1900-2050 - Modern I know it's kind of arbitrary, but it's an idea.

Well, it might work that way, but of course you could always end up in a situation where you have leaders in medieval clothing leading armies on tanks.

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Just make the leaderheads change with particular techs. I suspect it would only require some event and inteface coding.

Right, but then how is that different from the good old era change? Basically this would amount to this: they only eliminated eras for research, but kept them in all but name for more superficial things like city graphic changes and leaderhead changes and such. It would make sense that way of course, but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just wishful thinking that they came up with something new and cool on my part.

	20-06-2005 16:19									#20
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Also, check out the Caesar screenie on the Firaxis site... We can see Caesar and also that in some of the cities they are producing Knights, which seems to imply we are in the "middle ages", but it seems like the outfit of the leader does not exactly reflect that. Judging by that and by the looks of the leaders in the Gamespot E3 video (consider Hatshepsut in her "ancient" outfit, and Mao in his "modern" suit), I'd say changing leaderheads are either not going to be there at all, or are ATM lacking the art.

	20-06-2005 16:35									#21
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I vote for the latter.

	20-06-2005 16:56									#22
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I've got admit, that was one of the better pieces of frosting Firaxis put on CivIII and, as I've said elsewhere, computer games are all frosting, otherwise we'd just be doing math homework.

Not re-dressing the leaders would be a mistake I don't think they'd make.

C'mon, you can't tell me you don't dig Genghis' modern threads?

	20-06-2005 18:14									#23
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Civ is about creativity...something different than the oft repeated refrain of history.

Let the leaders wear clothes from each era....a modern Alexander in the business suit

	20-06-2005 21:14									#24
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Civ 2 had city and population graphics that changed by era even though there were no set tech eras a la civ 3.
The change in appearance there was brought on by certain key techs (invention, industrialization and electronics+automobiles)

	20-06-2005 22:31									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik Civ 2 had city and population graphics that changed by era even though there were no set tech eras a la civ 3. The change in appearance there was brought on by certain key techs (invention, industrialization and electronics+automobiles)

See, that would be fine.

	21-06-2005 02:23									#26
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quote: They could have a predetermined year for the shift.

That contradicts the removal of the "Era"s.

	21-06-2005 06:02									#27
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i remember reading somewhere that they were not changing the leader heads over time.

I agree that that was one of the nice additions in Civ3. In Civ1, it was cute to have the leaders be the same but the advisors change in the modern era. In Civ2 the only change was that the spoons would turn into guns. Now in Civ4, there appears to be nothing in the diplomacy screen indicating advance...

I just know that in Civ3 at least, it would always freak me out when civ leaders who contacted me started wearing new clothes, b/c it meant I was behind; it was a nice touch.

But if they were to have changing leader heads now, that would mean more work for the graphics guys, x4 (right?). Maybe at least they could change the backgrounds of the leaderheads over time...

	22-06-2005 23:54									#28
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quote: Also, check out the Caesar screenie on the Firaxis site... We can see Caesar and also that in some of the cities they are producing Knights, which seems to imply we are in the "middle ages", but it seems like the outfit of the leader does not exactly reflect that.

Note also the presence of the Vatican looming behind his head.

	23-06-2005 02:56									#29
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Note also the presence of the Vatican looming behind his head.

Indeed. Is it some sort of tongue-in-cheek statement about an imperialistic catholic church?

An ancient Roman leaderhead should have the Forum or the Colosseum behind him.

	23-06-2005 18:50									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Oh, being led by God Himself would not be a bad thing really. Can't get any more eternal than that.

Pity he doesn't exist!

*avoids holy nuke*