20-06-2005 00:46									#1
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Domestics
Worker stuff: 586 mine
585, 810 mine
650 road
263 mine
BWorker5 is done with its bonus. Where to next?
273 is done with its plain. Where to next?

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	21-06-2005 03:08									#2
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Well, Felicinty has plains tiles that can be irigated and a surplus of forest that can be chopped.

Lake Ishtar needs connected to the trade network.

Plains of Ashur looks like it has one forest tile and also some hills that can be mined.

Kurria needs a path to irrigation.

Inanna's Throne has forest that needs chopped.

Potamia has an unimproved tobacco and appears to have an unimproved grassland shield.

Babylon has forest that needs choped.

Hookah has grassland that can be mined.

The Garden of Tammuz needs to have all grassland tiles improved.

	21-06-2005 07:40									#3
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I would like to see us saving the forrest chops for speeding up Markets. Plus, we also have Hills to get mined, which would help more in the long run, compaired to chops.

Chops will be prioritized and will be done, but I'm still getting a handle on everything, especially the workers. As it is, we have more on the way....

E_T

	21-06-2005 12:08									#4
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Worker stuff:

BW 586 - Start Mining (5 turns schedualed to complete).
BW 5 (whis is his new name?) - move 8 (joining BW 586).
BW 585 & BW 810 - Mine (6 turns to complete).
BW 650 - Road (3 turns to complete).
BW 263 - Mine (6 turns to complete).


BW 273 - still looking at this one. Likely going 3.

E_T

	21-06-2005 13:36									#5
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City things:
Babylon - Building Lib (turn 3 of 4) - starting WF 1-2-8-12-16. NC.
Inanna's Throne - building Horseman (Turn 2 of 4) - starting WF 1-2-7-8-19. NC.
Plains of Ashur (grows this turn) - Building Settler (1 turns left to build). Starting WF 1-2-4-7-??17??, change WF to 1-2-4-7-16.
Felinicity - Catapult built, start building Catapult (turn 1 of 7). Starting WF 3-4-5-14, NC.
Garden of Tammuz - Builting Worker (turn 2 of 2). Starting WF 2-3-8-18-19. This WILL be a 2 turn worker with the Gov settings.
Potamia - Building Barracks (4 turns left to build). Starting WF 7-8-15.
Kurra - Building Temple (8 turns left to build). Starting WF 7-8, NC.
Hookah - Building Galley (3 turns left to build). Starting WF 8-19, NC.
Lake Ishtar - Building Worker (turn 3 of 10). Starting WF 3, NC.

E_T

	22-06-2005 03:53									#6
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Looks like a plan

Just for clarification, what does "NC" mean? (As in Babylon - Building Lib (turn 3 of 4) - starting WF 1-2-8-12-16. NC.)

	22-06-2005 04:12									#7
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I think that means No Change

	22-06-2005 04:30									#8
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Ah, of course... Thanks...

Just one question:
We´re going to be in the red figures for quite some time... And with all those new builds scheduled it doesn´t look as if we´re planning to change that. Are you sure we can get a sufficient amount of gold through trades to sustain that "economy"?

	22-06-2005 04:33									#9
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You mean unit maintenance?

It isn't overwhelming (yet) but we definitely do need to work on getting our cities to City size (7+) to get more free maintenance.

	22-06-2005 05:00									#10
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Not just units. Three city improvements are underway, several (?) already in place. That surely costs some gold, too...

	22-06-2005 05:03									#11
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Temples, assuming they're used, pay for themselves; the alternative is a MP unit that costs a gpt as well, or the lux slider, which costs at least a gpt. The shields are the only real expense if you need happiness from some source.

Markets and Libs pay for themselves so long as the city is big enough. You have 1 gpt maintenance, but then you have 3 or 4 extra commerce bonus from it, so you're ultimately gaining.

Granaries do cost a gpt, but they help pump up our population. All those workers we're producing can also be used to increase city pop, in addition to roading and thereby creating more commerce.

Barracks are really the only city improvement that's ultimately a drag on the economy.

	22-06-2005 07:56									#12
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Not if it produces units that keep you alive....

As for our Unit Costs, well, we very short of Mil Units, even for proper Garrisons (and under Monarcy, we can have 3 per city). They would pay for themselves as hey would allow higher pops and thereby more production & trade (after Corruption that is).

I would hate to think of having to defend our lands or to even take on the End of Age Barb Uprising withthe state of our Militry at present.

E_T

	22-06-2005 08:23									#13
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Note: We now have 4 horses in position to move on to the mountain from which BOH suggested we launch an attack at Euphorica. If we wait 2 more turns we can have a fifth horse in position, but the other four are ready to move out now.

-Felinicity completes Catapult, starts another one

-New catapult moves 3
-Shogun Bowman 3. It would appear there are no camps down there, though
-BW650 roads
-Marcus 9
-Garibaldi 6-6
-Ivanova 6
-Sinclair 9
-Sheridan 2-3
-Cain 7
-Felix 8
-BW273 moved 3
-BW810 mines
-BW585 mines
-BW586 mines
-BWorker5 renamed "BWorker 372" and moves 8
-BW253 mines
-Delenn (Babylon) activated, moved 9-8-6 to IT and forted
-Spearman in IT 7-7-7 to escort settler

-PoA WF to 1-2-4-7-16

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	22-06-2005 19:05									#14
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Yes, we´re #1 in most key areas again!

Please don´t take my comments as criticism, I just wanted to know if you think we can maintain all this negative gpt. Or more precisely, I´d like to know *how* we can maintain it... I´m still learning in single player, so I am eager for advise...

	23-06-2005 06:14									#15
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I wasn't taking them as criticism, and while that word has taken on a bad connotation, it's good to rethink things.

As for how to maintain it: the key is to build up cities, both literally and figuratively. To reduce unit maintenance, we need to build more cities and increase the population of our core cities to 7+. To pay for our improvements, we need to couple the core population increase with Markets and Libraries to produce more commerce.

	23-06-2005 07:49									#16
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teach us. I'm here to learn.

	23-06-2005 08:09									#17
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We shall, young Padawan

E_T

	23-06-2005 08:12									#18
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Still only 1 team has Construction

DR & someone else still are the only ones with Currency

No one has Republic yet.

E_T

	23-06-2005 22:57									#19
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Running a deficit in early game is normal, just as long as you don't actually run out of gold. Basically, your economy is growing and also with science tweaks the last few turns of any tech, you get the cash to run the deficit again.

Market Places will also pay for themselves in terms of happiness when you have 3+ luxaries. Without the happiness effects, the city would without the Market Place need to have 2+ commerce going to taxes.

Libaries will pay for themselves when the city would without the libary have 2+ commerce going to science.