20-06-2005 05:46									#1
	What's built first, Granaries or Temples? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I'm just curious, generally, do you build granaries or temples in a city first...assume that the city doesn't border another civ....

	20-06-2005 06:06									#2
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Temples, usually. Then granaries. I play a rel civ so is an easy choice as they are cheap(er).

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	20-06-2005 11:05									#3
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Must feed your people. Early Granaries win the game. Early Temples just distract from really crucial builds.

One exception would be going for a Cultural victory, in which case the earlier the Temples, the better.

	20-06-2005 12:17									#4
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Granaries, hands down. At least 2 of them, sometimes more. Getting your population up quick is much more important than having one more citizen per city. Most cities aren't at this limit anyway most of the times, because they produce settlers as soon as they are size 3 or 4. Happiness in this stage can be cheaper maintained with 2 warriors as garrison or by raising the luxury slider.

I often don't build temples till very late in the ancient age

	20-06-2005 15:25									#5
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Depends. 3 early granaries is usually enough, especially if you have a bonus food to share. After that, focus on barracks and temples. If I'm Rel, I will usually build the temples early on the border cities, then go for the barracks. The extra culture helps with flips later on. If I'm not a Rel civ, Barracks, spears and horses or cats all the way...

	20-06-2005 17:46									#6
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Granaries, no doubt.

In the early game, you should be pumping out settlers and workers as quickly as you can. You're rarely going to have enough population to justify needing the happiness effects of a temple. As Sir Ralph said, you're better off using military police and the happiness slider than building a temple.

	20-06-2005 18:27									#7
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Granaries. Send those mal-content, protesting citizens out into the wilderness to settle their own city -- if they are so smart about how things should be run.

After a granary has been built, produce military units, settlers/workers, and marketplace/temple. There is no formula, depends on geography, neighbors, needs, etc.

	20-06-2005 22:09									#8
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Temples have fallen off my 'must build' list all together with notable exceptions. It's better to fight than pray anyway.

	21-06-2005 03:14									#9
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Definately the Granery in cities that I'm going to build them in the ancient era.

The temple usually ends up as the first build on cities that I'm not building the granery simply due to extreme distance from capital.

For cities that granery was rejected due to lack of fresh water access plus insufficent food bonsuses to function as a pump, it usually gets a baracks as the first improvement.

	21-06-2005 03:55									#10
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Granaries before temples. (Though not nearly all my cities will end up building granaries, while most will end up building temples eventually.)

	21-06-2005 07:22									#11
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Granaries, almost always. Exception circumstances include: being religious, needing the cultural expansion, and an absolute dearth of luxuries.

That said, I do still like Temples... they are just not a very high priority.

	21-06-2005 19:56									#12
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I'm with Uno, better to fight. The thing is you cannot always do the same thing. In the main I will not build temples for a long time, except in a city that is going for a wonder.

I do not want to spend the shields and I do not want to pay the main for temples all over the place. I don't need to expand my borders all that much in the AA.

Later if want to expand a border, a Lib is often a better choice as it yields extra beakers.

	22-06-2005 12:55									#13
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Usually temples unless the city is a slow grower. Also tend toward temples at higher levels. Its a matter of timing for me.

	23-06-2005 11:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx It's better to fight than pray anyway.

as unofficial priest of the apolyton celtic blood rage/human sacrifice/depraved anim** istic orgy sect, i fail to see a distinction between the two.

	23-06-2005 15:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by lebensraum as unofficial priest of the apolyton celtic blood rage/human sacrifice/depraved animalistic orgy sect, i fail to see a distinction between the two.

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	26-06-2005 07:26									#17
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Oh. That does change things a little.

	29-06-2005 14:39									#18
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No brainer - Granaries, every time!

Temples are an afterthought, and unless you're Religious they are a large investment for their limited return. Not to mention, when you start building Temples, you have to build a lot of them to keep your empire balanced as it grows!

	30-06-2005 04:59									#19
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I find Temples more useful in several conquests than in epic game.
Mostly because of how few unique luxaries there are in several conquests. This is sometimes countered though by ToA never expiring in the conquests that includes it. (Technically St Peter's in FoR is equalivent, except that unless playing the Sassidens, it's not really an option early enough.)

	09-07-2005 19:17									#20
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Granary. I usually build Libraries, sometime even Universities before Temple.

	11-07-2005 00:50									#21
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Depends. Early on, granaries. Later, probably libraries before temples but it depends if it is on a border and needs culture faster.

	24-07-2005 15:07									#22
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Graneries, worker(s), temple

its all about the pepole to get the production for all those other neat things in the game

	08-08-2005 16:49									#23
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of the two Granaries before temples

barracks can come before granaries though.... must train the troops for the march to war

	09-08-2005 12:51									#24
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I only build granaries in settler pumping towns. temples everywhere else

	11-08-2005 00:35									#25
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A few temples in the early epic gam, if I'm conquering rivals {early military units are usually cheaper than rexing}, but at some point, before I approach enemy capitals, I'll need culture to prevent flips, so it's eighther temples or libraries.

	11-09-2005 03:34									#26
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I always build granaries first in my core cities and temples first in my fringe cities.

	11-09-2005 12:30									#27
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Build a temple. Make them know they are happy straight away.

	19-09-2005 21:20									#28
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Don't listen to the n00bs, Commy. A couple of early Granaries are the answer, as a zillion strat forum threads will tell you.