Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Alpha Centauri > AC-Multiplaying > Looking to start 2 new "themed" PBEM's
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
16.Sep: ZAKHAROV TURNS ELEVEN
15.Sep: `POSSIBILITY` IS ALL FOR NOW
15.Sep: THE SINGULARITY CONNECTION
CivGroups
Alpha Centauri PBEM (128): Not a Member - Join

bottom of page
  - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 - Centauri Dawn $6.50 - Dragon Sun $6.99 - Twilight of the Mind $6.99 - Power of the Mindworms $8.95 - ALPHA CENTAURI MAC $19.99
Author
Thread   
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
H0bbes is offline H0bbes
Emperor
of Paradise
Feb 2001
time: 15:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 04:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#31 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Naval game players: could I please get all your faction choices?


I've changed my mind, I'll take the consciousness.

Hobbes

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 05:22
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#32 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

quote:
Originally posted by H0bbes


I've changed my mind, I'll take the consciousness.

Hobbes


Whats the rush to shoot yourself in the foot? -_-

Chaos Theory is offline Chaos Theory

King
Missouri / Misery; CC
Oct 2002
time: 04:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:06 Visit Chaos Theory<br><a href=/members><img src=/forums/images/supporter-icon.gif border=0></a><BR>'s homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#33 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

You can look at this two ways:
A pop-boom-impaired faction might suffer since a normal faction, with the vast nutrients of the sea, will easily have bases up to hab limits with little effort.
A pop-boom-impaired faction will blunt its inability to pop boom by raking in tons of nutrients, still growing much slower than a pop boom, but given hab limits, not spending too much time behind normal factions.

Lazerus is offline Lazerus
King
Empires were built by dictators, not democracies.
Jul 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 16-07-2005 00:36
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#34 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

Senethro - What are all the map settings going to be for the puppet states game ?

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 16-07-2005 02:45
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#35 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by H0bbes


I've changed my mind, I'll take the consciousness.

Hobbes


Herc also has posted to play as the Consciousness in this game. While I don't mind clone Factions for this game, just make sure that you both ensure your base names are unique somehow.

I'll try Uni's in this one.


D

Hercules is offline Hercules
Emperor
in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 17-07-2005 21:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#36 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Ok I will stay with Cyborgs and I will have unique fashioned base names: different from Hobbes.

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 19-07-2005 18:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#37 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Ok, Naval game is ready to go.

Almost.

Darsnan, remind me, I remember that you told me that custom faction files (In this case Aquagaia, Aquacycon, Aquahobbits etc) are imprinted onto the scenario but do I also remember you telling me that the units section is also imprinted? If I understand correctly, you will achieve Carriers+subs at the desired techs by receiving the unit in the unit workshop and then reverse engineering it?

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 19-07-2005 19:43
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#38 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Ok, Naval game is ready to go.


Excellent!


quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Almost.

Darsnan, remind me, I remember that you told me that custom faction files (In this case Aquagaia, Aquacycon, Aquahobbits etc) are imprinted onto the scenario


Exactly how are you doing this? Are you using standard factional text names for this, or did you modify the (I believe) #CUSTOMFACTION section of the alphax.txt file to include these factions? Reason I am asking this is that if you went the route of modifying the #CUSTOMFACTION section then everyone (I believe) would then need to play with the modified alphax.txt file, which although probably doable by the players in this game, is a PIA. A way to avoid this is to modify the existing Gaian, Cycon, and PK files to give them aquatic capabilities, then after this game is finished being set up you can just remove the files from your directory.

quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
but do I also remember you telling me that the units section is also imprinted? If I understand correctly, you will achieve Carriers+subs at the desired techs by receiving the unit in the unit workshop and then reverse engineering it?


The #UNITS Section is imprinted onto the game once you start placing units onto a map. Therefore all of the units contained in this section of the alpha(x).txt file should then be available to all players. As far as reverse engineering is concerned, why if the unit is available upon the prerequisite tech, then there shouldn't be a need for reverse engineering (unless of course people decide to build sub probes and sub carriers..... , , ) Hmmm, this game could be very interesting indeed!


D

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 19-07-2005 19:58
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#39 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

How typical, the problem arises from the area you didn't expect.

What I did was to make a copy of the factions in question, add the aquatic trait and save them with the name "aquafaction". I then loaded the base map file, used the "Reload Faction" option in the Scenario menu to insert the factions into the game. They are not saved under the same names as the original factions.

I take it this was not the correct method then?

Googlie is offline Googlie
Emperor
Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:37
  Old Post 19-07-2005 20:12 Visit Googlie's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#40 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

You only need the CMN to have the aquafactions loaded into the game (ie have them listed in the alphax.txt as custom factions). All other players then just need the aquafaction .txt and .pic files in their SMAC directory. When they then load the gameturn the aquafaction files will also load.

And aquaclones have been available for about 3 years now - see here

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 20-07-2005 23:41
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#41 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

Map made for the puppets game, this ones going to require a large amount of playtesting however.

Its a supercontinent that I've chopped up by connecting the isolated pools and lakes. Erosion is average, but as my world builder has a high peak number you could mistake it for weak. Fungus is average but heavily tweaked due to the presence of two Planet factions in the game. Rainfall is high.
I personally have found this most conducive to good CPU performance.

Faction placement was made with the assumption that you would have a maximum of 3 cities.

I still need to know how you would like me to configure your own puppet AI.

Lazerus is offline Lazerus
King
Empires were built by dictators, not democracies.
Jul 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 21-07-2005 01:18
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#42 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

will think up some plans on that map description, though you haven't said how big the actual map is?
sounds good so far

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 21-07-2005 01:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#43 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

Ummmm. I forget. Either Large or "Grand" (custom size 52 by 104).

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 21-07-2005 05:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#44 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Map made for the puppets game, this ones going to require a large amount of playtesting however.


np as somethings come up and I will be OOT from Thursday afternoon till Sunday afternoon. FYI.


quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
I still need to know how you would like me to configure your own puppet AI.


I'd say located conveninently close by, so that by the time your city is found, they can quickly come to the rescue. This way they can also donate units to you quite easily, which you can then render down for the mins.

D

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 21-07-2005 06:13
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#45 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Well, I was meaning in terms of aggression and things that can be configured on the faction personality/strategy menus.

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 21-07-2005 06:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#46 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Well, I was meaning in terms of aggression and things that can be configured on the faction personality/strategy menus.


My thought would be to make them submissive, but otherwise au natural, as probably all players chose their Pact Factions based on how the AI typically performs .


D

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 03-08-2005 23:05
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#47 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Puppets is now ready to go. Your email addresses and password requests please. These games have been delayed long enough.

The Naval game is less ready than I thought because my CPUs are refusing to expand no matter how I cajole them. I'm attempting a few workarounds. I am reminded that the only time I've seen large Pirate factions was by the year 2350 and its probably been the best part of a year since I played a game past 2250.

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 04-08-2005 00:43
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#48 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

password preference and E-Mail address sent. Thanx for all the hard work, Senethro.

btw I will be OOT this coming weekend. FYI.


D

Lazerus is offline Lazerus
King
Empires were built by dictators, not democracies.
Jul 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 05-08-2005 00:02
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#49 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

Also sent, yeah thanks again

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 12-08-2005 21:06
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#50 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

Bumping for Googlie.

arty:

Hercules is offline Hercules
Emperor
in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 21-08-2005 19:01
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#51 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

Any progress with the naval game?

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 21-08-2005 19:32
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#52 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I've been studying for an exam and not looking into it so much just while Darsnan was away. I'd moved from having a weak AI that doesn't expand to a AI with lots of unfair advantages making it initially strong in terms of production/research, but without a clue how to attack or expand. The AI factions in this last version would be resources to be mined by aggressive players.

Hercules is offline Hercules
Emperor
in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 27-08-2005 04:40
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#53 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Darsnan is back.

When you are ready but take your time.

Hercules is offline Hercules
Emperor
in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:37
  Old Post 30-08-2005 05:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#54 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

So should we give up on this?

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 30-08-2005 07:58
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#55 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by Hercules
So should we give up on this?


Well Senethro, is this something you can do for us? If not, just let me know and I'll see about someone else building the games.


D

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 30-08-2005 14:26
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#56 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

Both the maps are made, Puppets is ready to go as soon as Googlie shows his face in this thread, (I've chased him about a few other forums), Naval Game is just deeply unsatisfactory with the AI consistently underperforming. I've also been ignoring it as I have an exam in one week that I've been studying for. I've been limiting my SMAC activities to my PBEM games and 'poly. Sorry for the inconvenience, I should have posted this sooner.

Senethro is offline Senethro
Prince

Jul 2004
time: 05:37
  Old Post 14-09-2005 18:59
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#57 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

They're done, both finished. I'm going to post up 2 turn tracking threads where those who have lived long enough to see them come can regroup.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=138592

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=138590

Last edited by Senethro on 14-09-2005 at 21:21

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
King
New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 14-09-2005 23:29
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#58 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Thanx a bunch Senethro - these should be exciting games!


D

 
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:37.
Apolyton Time is 00:37.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0490 seconds (90.68% PHP - 9.32% MySQL) with 36 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net