30-06-2005 07:16									#61
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That was what I was thinking too

We'll see about Krill's prediction about the future, which HASN'T come yet. True, swords against spears forted in walls is <50% odds, but if you have rather more swords than there are spears...

	30-06-2005 07:26									#62
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Who said anything about Spears?

	30-06-2005 09:15									#63
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Well, you could empty the city, that would certainly help ...

	30-06-2005 09:27									#64
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But then where would all our Immortals go?


(this thread should be renamed Trash Talk)

	30-06-2005 10:31									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Moonbars - not to be picky, but veiled is spelled 'ei', not 'ie'. This is one of those exceptions to "i before e except after c". I guess we do have to bring education to the rest of the world.

just as long as your horseman stays away from our borders. It would be a terrible shame if one of our dyslexic warriors had to stick a pike up the your cultured horsieman's a$$

	30-06-2005 10:43									#66
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Perhaps they should come and play with us some more?

	30-06-2005 11:33									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars just as long as your horseman stays away from our borders. It would be a terrible shame if one of our dyslexic warriors had to stick a pike up the your cultured horsieman's a$$

What happened to "peaceful exploration" and allowing it as long as it stays off your land?

On one hand you send your Dave out to spy and hinder the Horde war effort calling it "exploration" and protest when he is killed, while on the other hand you deny the same right of "exploration" to Babylon. The entire world must now clearly see what hypocrites you are.

	30-06-2005 11:40									#68
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do not let logic get in the way when dealing with the Desolators

	30-06-2005 11:43									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 quote: Originally posted by Ljube Odds don't count with so small number of units in play. After that comment, I dearly hope that you are one of the Horde's Generals, directing their battles

No, I'm the Horde renegade, but it seems that your incredible success in the battle of Mount Massacre proved me right.
After this event and the practical proof of my odds-independent doctrine, I may yet be elevated to the position of Field Marshall.

	30-06-2005 12:46									#70
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If people are wondering, Antioch is on a hill, no? If so:

Any spears or Immortals there, if there are walls, have defense 4.5.

Pikes have defense 6.75

And then you have to take the inevitable promotions into account.


If any one is wondering, even if this is a 3-on-1, I would not right Aqua off too quickly...

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	30-06-2005 12:52									#71
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Play the save will ya

	30-06-2005 13:31									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars It would be a terrible shame if one of our dyslexic warriors had to stick a pike up the your cultured horsieman's a$$

Please excuse our Commander Moonbars' colourful language.....he gets rather excitable and intense from the blood lust of slicing off nearly a dozen Euphorican heads

	30-06-2005 13:47									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube What happened to "peaceful exploration" and allowing it as long as it stays off your land? On one hand you send your Dave out to spy and hinder the Horde war effort calling it "exploration" and protest when he is killed, while on the other hand you deny the same right of "exploration" to Babylon. The entire world must now clearly see what hypocrites you are.

Yawn.....you guys are so intransigent.

O...k......let's try to explain it all again.......now are we all paying attention kiddies?

Ok.....you see, it's like this:

Our Warrior Dave was, like every other team's Warriors have done so in this game (and every other PBEM game in which I've played for that matter), exploring the map. This is quite a useful thing to do, because it takes away the dark patches on the map - I'm sure you kids have noticed that too.

Now, you seem to call such exploration "spying" and "hindering the war effort". I doubt that many regular Civ players would take such claims seriously. Dave the Warrior was simply travelling through formerly fogged areas and exposing the map for us. He was quite entitled to do that, just as your Scouts mapped our borders previously.

Following so far? Good.

Now, we have since learned that Babylon has joined an allliance against us. We believe that Babylon has Horseman units, perhaps many, and may wish to bring those units close to our borders. Clearly this is not exploration. Clearly this is aggressive intent. We are a peaceful nation, however aggressive intent shall be dealt with severely, as you have seen.

The strange Euphoricans claimed that their 3 Archers and a Spear were likewise just exploring innocently on our borders...all occupying the same tile mind you - a rather inefficient way of exploring, wouldn't you think? Guess what - they suddenly decided to stop exploring and attack instead. Wow, weren't we surprised!!! so surprised in fact that sufficient units were waiting to crush them as soon as they entered.

Now, if anybody would like to put up even a vaguely logical argument that is able to show that a single Warrior exploring uncharted map territory can possibly have anything to gain by aggressive intent, then I would be happy to continue this debate.

Otherwise, stop blowing smoke up each others' backsides!

	30-06-2005 13:55									#74
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@ Aqua

I would love to play the save right now, but I am currently at school, and I don't have my laptop with me, so I have absolutely no chance of playing the save until I get home this evening.

My apologies for the delay

	30-06-2005 14:16									#75
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Tell teach to go eat an apple, then get a bus home and play the save

	30-06-2005 17:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Yawn.....you guys are so intransigent. O...k......let's try to explain it all again.......now are we all paying attention kiddies? Ok.....you see, it's like this:

Do you still don't recognise your own arrogance?

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 The strange Euphoricans claimed that their 3 Archers and a Spear were likewise just exploring innocently on our borders...all occupying the same tile mind you - a rather inefficient way of exploring, wouldn't you think? Guess what - they suddenly decided to stop exploring and attack instead. Wow, weren't we surprised!!! so surprised in fact that sufficient units were waiting to crush them as soon as they entered.

We have never affirmed we were exploring. We've always mentioned we were in neutral territory and did not have to explain ourselves for being in neutral territory. This in answer to your idiotic similar claims when you were being a pain with your exploring warrior.

	30-06-2005 19:05									#77
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quote: Originally posted by McMeadows Do you still don't recognise your own arrogance?

It's called sarcasm mate

	30-06-2005 19:11									#78
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oh really just

	30-06-2005 20:09									#79
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quote: Now, we have since learned that Babylon has joined an allliance against us. We believe that Babylon has Horseman units, perhaps many, and may wish to bring those units close to our borders. Clearly this is not exploration. Clearly this is aggressive intent. We are a peaceful nation, however aggressive intent shall be dealt with severely, as you have seen.

I'd love to know where this information comes from. Right now we just have your rumors. BTW - horses move more than 1 space per turn. A very effective way to 'explore'.

quote: The strange Euphoricans claimed that their 3 Archers and a Spear were likewise just exploring innocently on our borders...all occupying the same tile mind you - a rather inefficient way of exploring, wouldn't you think? Guess what - they suddenly decided to stop exploring and attack instead. Wow, weren't we surprised!!! so surprised in fact that sufficient units were waiting to crush them as soon as they entered.

They exploring units were close to obviously hostile lands. Maybe they didn't want to get lost or slaughtered. Good thing they stuck together. I could have been worse for the jolly bards.

	30-06-2005 22:03									#80
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism I'd love to know where this information comes from. Right now we just have your rumors.

Then I suggest you ask one of your allies where the leak came from

quote: They exploring units were close to obviously hostile lands.

I'm not sure how you could conclude that.....we were at peace with them and we had not shown any aggression until they attacked us

quote: Maybe they didn't want to get lost or slaughtered. Good thing they stuck together. I could have been worse for the jolly bards.

Yeh, I guess it could have been worse. I mean, instead of losing every single unit they sent to that first attack they could have....errrr, hold on, no.....ummm

	30-06-2005 22:47									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Then I suggest you ask one of your allies where the leak came from

?? Hmmmm...not a bad idea!! Perhaps Babylon sees your evil ways as well!! If their is truth to this, then: Welcome Babylon!!!

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 I'm not sure how you could conclude that.....we were at peace with them and we had not shown any aggression until they attacked us

So invading their territory and threatening to raze a defensless city in the early game was just a social call? That explains a lot about the Desolate way of thinking!

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Yeh, I guess it could have been worse. I mean, instead of losing every single unit they sent to that first attack they could have....errrr, hold on, no.....ummm

The free peace loving people of this world honour their sacrifice! They will be avenged!!

	30-06-2005 23:34									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Yeh, I guess it could have been worse. I mean, instead of losing every single unit they sent to that first attack they could have....errrr, hold on, no.....ummm

It's sarcasm, not arrogance... I'll have to keep telling myself, it's so easy to misinterpret this. How about this being ironic, or sarcastic?

Anyway, we could have taken a few more units down with us.

	30-06-2005 23:37									#83
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quote: Originally posted by McMeadows This in answer to your idiotic similar claims when you were being a pain with your exploring warrior.

but our warrior *was* just exploring, you cannot in all honesty have considered him a threat to your army can you? If so, I am only imagine the hell your laundry lady is going through with all the brown underwear being produced now that we have a stack of immortals to play with

	30-06-2005 23:43									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars but our warrior *was* just exploring, you cannot in all honesty have considered him a threat to your army can you?

Your warrior was keeping a few of our troops busy as well as hindered a few warriors. Moreover, you had proven to "accidentily" walk into our lands before. No good rep there....

quote: Originally posted by Moonbars If so, I am only imagine the hell your laundry lady is going through with all the brown underwear being produced now that we have a stack of immortals to play with

Have to clean that sh!t myself...

	30-06-2005 23:47									#85
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bahh hummbugg Moonbars

your leader lied every turn

he agreed time and again to go in certain directions, then each time would break his word and move in a different direction

then scream that he did not have to be TOLD where to go....

funny part of him "AGREEING" to moving somewhere is that he has the chance at that time to put forth his complaints etc if he felt he was being "TOLD" to do something...

and if he was being TOLD and did not want to do it, then why did he keep agreeing to do it in the first place

just a liar is the way the Horde took him to be...

	01-07-2005 00:13									#86
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO So invading their territory and threatening to raze a defensless city in the early game was just a social call? That explains a lot about the Desolate way of thinking!

That's quite a good point Plato, excellent in all but one small detail - We never threatened to burn their city, in fact we told them we intended to leave peacfully.

quote: Originally posted by PLATO The free peace loving people of this world honour their sacrifice! They will be avenged!!

What peace loving people is that? Any of the AM or Lost Boys want to honour their sacrifice? The Axis of Evil certainly are not peace loving..

	01-07-2005 00:15									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot bahh hummbugg Moonbars your leader lied every turn

I was not aware that you had been a party to our early game discussion with the Euphoricans regarding our exploring warrior, does that mean that your alliance with them pre-dated you actually meeting our team in-game?

	01-07-2005 00:30									#88
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ahhh sorry Moonbars

my apologises

I though you were talking of Desolator Dave

that was a sad sad day your leader brought him around

	01-07-2005 00:41									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot ahhh sorry Moonbars my apologises I though you were talking of Desolator Dave that was a sad sad day your leader brought him around

You see, the problem with Desolator Dave was that he was deeply misunderstood all his life.

For years, all he wanted to do was to be a tap dancer, but it just didn't fit in with the role his father had sired him for.. Desolating. Dave the Desolator? Nay, he yearned to be Dave the Dancer!

We order him back, truly we did, but he ran off with a Euphorican Tavern wench he met called Sally the Singer. They travelled around wherever they pleased, tap-dancing a fandango for all the hordites they encountered.. until that unfortunate day when he accused that Horde horseman of looking at Sally the wrong way, and the Horseman let his mount tap-dance a fandango on his head...


How many of you figured I was going somewhere else with the Sally thing?

	01-07-2005 00:56									#90
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So that's what this is all about - a frustrated tap dancer gone bad.