22-06-2005 19:28									#1
	Problem with Civ-Stack! Put an end to popups!

I am trying to run the civstack utility on one the Ditator ToT
saves, to prevent the unfair defeats of vast unit stacks...

But when run the exe in the Dictator folder and direct the
program to the D4.sav file, I get this rude message!

What gives?

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	22-06-2005 20:24									#2
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Any chance the dashes in or length of the path string are causing problems? Either that or it is a personal attack!

	23-06-2005 05:21									#3
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I will rename the file and give it a shot!

	23-06-2005 05:27									#4
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Gah!

No luck!

Has anyone done a working conversion with this program,
and can perhaps do the stacks on the dictator save for me?

Attachment: dtot4.zip
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	23-06-2005 16:17									#5
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I'll just have to assume that civstack does not work with ToT...

Oh well!

	23-06-2005 21:30									#6
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I thought Merc might have time, so I kept mum. If you still need help, I'll try to give it a shot. My record with CivStack is not impressive, though. Which terrains do you want stackable? Be patient with my ignorance, but are there multiple maps or many airbases?

	23-06-2005 22:08									#7
	Put an end to popups!

Cheers, man!

I need everything to be stackable...Which makes me wonder:
If a tranport full of units is killed on a civstacked tile:

What becomes of the units?
Do they die as normal, or do they end up stranded?

	23-06-2005 22:40									#8
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I haven't been online, sorry (and I'm on the wrong computer now too, without CivStack or ToT)...

When a transport full of units is killed on an ocean tile with a fortress, the units will indeed end up stranded. I'm not sure if that's also the case when the attacker dies though.

But as for the original question. Do you by any chance have that savegame open in any other program (e.g. ToT or some hex editor)? Or is the file set to be read-only?

Oh, and you said D4.sav in your post, while the screenshot says DICTA-MAP4.SAV. Were you just conveniently abbreviating the file name or is there more to it than that? How did you locate the file? By typing in the file name ( not sure if that's even possible) or by using the browse button?

Whatever the case may be, CivStack definitely supports ToT! All my utilities work for all versions of Civ2. This certainly has nothing to do with the file not being for ToT or not. That error indicates that it goes wrong before CivStack could ever even find out it was a ToT file.

Sorry if that sounds even ruder than the message you already got.

	24-06-2005 01:58									#9
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No sweat!

We have a mystery to solve!

*I only renamed the file after Boco advise that the nature of the filename may be a root cause.

*I also used the browse button, and did not have the file in use anywhere at the time.
(except for in Explorer...)

*The file is also not read-only.


For the conversion, I will avoid the whole naval ballgame and keep the sea squares as normal.

It is the land warfare I am more concerned with.
The massed losses are really flinging the invasions by AI units...
I want to make Barbarossa and Normandy real nightmares to face!

	24-06-2005 04:24									#10
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File opened okay.

Sorry cs, all I could get either CivStack or CivEngineer to do is remove the city present flag from all your cities! I haven't figured out how to use these utilities reproducibly yet.

Please-do-not-exterminate!

	24-06-2005 04:40									#11
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Aha! I'm getting it too... There does seem to be something going on. But you already uncovered a bug in that dialog box. It should have said "saving" rather than "loading". So that caused some confusion... You're getting the error when you try to save the file, right? I.e. clicking the OK/Apply button?

I found the bug. And it was a ToT thing indeed.
Not something specifically related to ToT, but just a stupid programming error that only played up with ToT files.

So thanks

Try this...

Attachment: civstack.zip
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	24-06-2005 04:43									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Boco File opened okay. Sorry cs, all I could get either CivStack or CivEngineer to do is remove the city present flag from all your cities! I haven't figured out how to use these utilities reproducibly yet.

No problem - Perhaps Merc can shed some light on it for us!

quote: Originally posted by Boco Please-do-not-exterminate!

	24-06-2005 04:50									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator Aha! I'm getting it too... There does seem to be something going on. But you already uncovered a bug in that dialog box. It should have said "saving" rather than "loading". So that caused some confusion... You're getting the error when you try to save the file, right? I.e. clicking the OK/Apply button? I found the bug. And it was a ToT thing indeed. Not something specifically related to ToT, but just a stupid programming error that only played up with ToT files. So thanks Try this...

Merc, you would make a good Dalek!



It worked!

This will make things far better for the scenario...

Now it is time to IN-VEST-I-GATE!

	24-06-2005 04:55									#14
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Well, it works a treat, but sadly it ignores my commands to not put forts on the ocean tiles...

Any reason for this, great Merc?

	24-06-2005 06:29									#15
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I'll have to investigate at a later date.

ToT started crashing on me so I can't see what's going on.

On a side note: I've only seen one episode of Dr Who... The only other things I know about Dr Who is from Dead Ringers.

	24-06-2005 06:48									#16
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No problem, I will tinker with it more to see what happens.
If you can help, it would be of massive help...

PS
'Doctor Who' is the prime slice of British cheesy Sci-Fi...
Alongside 'Blake's Seven' of course!

	25-06-2005 02:35									#17
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What the hell? That savegame you attached already has fortresses all over... In fact, it would have, because that error only occurred after CivStack had written all the fortress data in your case.

CivStack does not make a backup, but simply overwrites the original savegame. So while you thought something had gone wrong, that error message actually didn't make a difference, leaving you with a map full of fortresses.

CivStack, however, only adds fortresses, it doesn't remove any. So when you used my new version of CivStack on that savegame, nothing changed, because there already were fortresses all over the map.

In short, the fact that you get fortresses on the ocean is not a CivStack bug, but an oversight on your end...
If you didn't make a backup of your savegame before running CivStack the first time around, you will have to use my "unofficial" CivEngineer utility to remove those fortresses from the ocean squares.

PS Doesn't Red Dwarf belong in there too?

	25-06-2005 03:00									#18
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By jove!

I think you are right, I must have been backing up from a
save that indeed have forts all over the place! Because
now the stacked terrain works fine and the sea is OK!

Good work, Merc.

What would we do without yer, eh?



PS
Red Dwarf was a good laugh, but became a bit crap.

(Though, so did Doctor Who and Blakes-7!)

	25-06-2005 04:18									#19
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Good work, Merc.

Thanks...

quote: What would we do without yer, eh?

I don't know. Wither away and die?

quote: Red Dwarf was a good laugh, but became a bit crap.

Yeah... That happens with most TV series, they drag on too long...