22-06-2005 20:42									#1
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Hiyoshi walked along the quiet roadway, but his mind was in the midst of a controversy. What to tell the new Daiymo? What to ask for his great life work? The thoughts swirled on the approached Roadishi's pagoda but to no avail. So Hiyoshi decided to lay out the options.

There are no wonders, small or otherwise available in the buildlist. Just some low cost buildings. Certainly none that are appropriate for a great life's work.

We do not control enough cities to form an army.

We do have a settler unit that will muster out with the next build cycle.

So the question is where to send that settler. Three possibilities
.. the hills 6,3,3 from bullwheat (2 movement turns)
.. the hills 8,8 from bullwheat (1 movement turn)
.. the plains 4,1,1 from Tottori (4 movement turns)

The evil Matsunagas have a settler/stone archer pair poised to close out the site north of Bullwheat.

We can block (this turn)
pw 888 from bullwheat moves to bullwheat
joining next turn
slave 888 from bullwheat moves 4
roading next turn
3 slaves 3 from Tottori move 6 and mine immediate
stone crossbow in Tottori moves 3,6,9
Tottori specialist changes from magistrate to Geisha
6 slaves 7 from Hiyoshi Stronghold move 1,2,3
roading next turn

Next turn make settler heading 6,3 then 3 then build
site will be road connected when built.
Add back that pw building another settler in 3

Hiyoshi continued on to the pagoda with his thoughts back in order. Hoping that Roadishi will agree

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Roadishi humbly seeks the thoughts of the House of Samurai

	22-06-2005 20:45									#2
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* Kampaku Paddiock Taronga acknowledges the Daimyo Roadishi

I will present your papers to the Eternal Court.

	22-06-2005 23:28									#3
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I was thinking about a city 88 of Bull Wheat to allow building armies and raise the unit support. After this build some more bushi and go to Matsunaga to get our cities back. Probably we could destroy them but this is a long-term plan.

It could be really nice to make some trades and bring us on tech parity. I hoped to discover more opponents in this direction but it seems this will not happen. we will need a boat to do this.

	23-06-2005 01:51									#4
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88 apears to be the most defendable city spot of the three mentioned.

How soon until the cease fire with the evil matsunaga expires and we can honarably declare war?

Considering that we would need to reach a total of 8 cities to support a second army, if we get a second MGL any time soon it will need to go to a small wonder. The first Small Wonder adviable requires Shinto Precepts and will make the chosen coastal city a wonderful city indeed.

	23-06-2005 05:20									#5
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10 turns remaining on matsunaga
16 turns remaining on oda

	23-06-2005 11:38									#6
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I dont think we need to advance towards Oda anymore. We need to take care of the Matsunaga and the other nations to the south. After this go north.

Matsunaga are the most important because they are small, they have 2 luxuries and are behind us, too near to our capital.

	23-06-2005 13:55									#7
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North is interesting.

	23-06-2005 17:39									#8
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of courseit is
but we need to take care about our good neightbours behind our backs.

	23-06-2005 17:58									#9
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trading possibilities

All knowns have mapmaking
All knowns except Matsunaga have Shinto Precepts

No MM deals possible but can get SP from
Saito wm 5gpt 31g
or
Urukami wm 5gpt 32

now Matsunaga has 17g and will most likely give
wm 17g for SP

so suggest
tm Urakami (1 g)
wm to Urakami (est 1 g)
wm 5gpt 31 g to Saito (SP)
SP to Matsugnaga (est wm 17g)
this refreshes our wm so
wm to Saito (est 1 g)
wm to Urakami (est 1g)

net cost for SP
5 gpt 10 g

please discuss

	23-06-2005 23:08									#10
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A bit more detail than we really need, go for it.

	23-06-2005 23:12									#11
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One directional thing : "North" is actually the path to locations in Japan southwest of us. "South" is actually the path to locations in Japan northeast of us.

Just as confusing as when your in the Panama Canal, to go from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean you go west and when you want to go from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean you go east.

	24-06-2005 02:34									#12
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hehe, thanks Jon, I did not know that of the Panama Canal

	24-06-2005 11:56									#13
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then how will we understand if someone means north or southwest when he says North?

	24-06-2005 12:38									#14
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd then how will we understand if someone means north or southwest when he says North?

Use the NumPad directions?

7 8 9
4 X 6
1 2 3

	24-06-2005 12:40									#15
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Since there appears to be consensus, I have started playing.

Turn 0
..Shinto Precepts deal as described above
..Block settler pair slightly more effeciently than described above.

Turn 1
..Bull Wheat builds Settler heading 6,3
..starts another
..stone crossbow from Stronghold heads to cover
..gang of 6 slaves begins road in support
..western Ashigaru moves 7

Turn 2
..Settler 3
..western Ashigaru moves 8
..map trading net 1 g

Turn 3
..Found Obama Heights
..Make Army
..Load the victorious GM into Army
..western Ashigaru moves 9
..map trading net 5 g

Turn 4
..Bull Wheat builds Settler heading 8,8
..starts Bushi
..western Ashigaru moves 9
..map trading net 5 g

Turn 5
..Found Takatsuki Lakeview
..western Ashigaru moves 6
..map trading net 2 g

Turn 6
Tottori builds Bushi
..western Ashigaru ejected tween turns
..heads towards Tottori
..1 unit Army heads to pickup Bushi from Stronghold and returns to Bullwheat
..no map trading

still playing this turn as there is mapmaking deal available

Saito wants 3 gpt plus 38 g leaving us with 1 gpt and 9 g. We have invested 18 beakers (6 scientist turns) in mapmaking

image below is current position (pre trade)

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	24-06-2005 16:55									#16
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn One directional thing : "North" is actually the path to locations in Japan southwest of us. "South" is actually the path to locations in Japan northeast of us.

Actually I fail to see the logic behind that. Lookign at the map "south" leads us along the coast to southwestern Japan, while "north" means the enemies to our north/east...

	24-06-2005 17:30									#17
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I guess we are still last but I think we started develop wll after the disaster with the trecherous AI. They will pay soon for that.

We need the mapmaking and some boats to start contact other opponents. This should help to keep the tech paritet.

And build some troops, we have only 4 turns until the end of the NAP with Matsunaga.

	24-06-2005 22:37									#18
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what is the plan of attack once the army is ready to rumble?

I suggest Kishiwada first, then Osaka.
Cutting of the smaller cities, always come back later.

	24-06-2005 22:45									#19
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I think taking back our original cities should have priority. At least they would become ours already connected to the rest of the Empire.

	25-06-2005 01:22									#20
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The attack is for the next Diaymo, as the peace treaty more or less expires with this reign.

Estimate at end of reign
1 size 3 Bushi Army
3 additional Bushi's atleast one of which will be vet
(depends on which one gets added to Army)
1 Reg Ashigaru
1 GrandMasterShogun3
enough cash to upgrade either the Ashigaru or the Shogun but not both
our stonecrossbows are now in MP mode.

	25-06-2005 01:36									#21
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a blank check for all tech trade deals given to roadcage for the duration of his reign.

On the maps, from the capital, immedate SW leads to only one AI civ, the one that must go first as punishment for occupling our land.

NW from the capital, followed by west leads us evenually to where the island bends SW and is where the southern most civs on the mainland are located.

NW from the capital followed by North is pretty much a dead end, no civ past the one we see there.

SE from the capital followed by East leads to where the island will bend north and heavilly expand in width quickly. Lots of civs we haven't met out there.

	25-06-2005 11:08									#22
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Turn 6 continuing
do the mm deal as described above

Turn 7
Bull Wheat builds Cagosan (Bushi)
starts another
Stronghold completes Barracks
starts Bushi
3 g in map trading
enlist several foreign born peasants into corps of engineers (to build invasion road 4 from bull wheat)
3 arrive this turn

Turn 8
invasion road construction begins
6 more from the Corps arrive
1 g map trading

Turn 9
4 more civs appear in Diplo screen but can't trade anything with anybody.
full corps effort on invasion road will complete tween turns

Turn 10
Matsunaga Settler and vet SC invade threatening empty Lakeview but Lakeview completes SC in their face
Contact the buggers and say they will leave but don't
since invasion route to Seaview is ready,
Contact again and renegotiate treaty unsuccessfully
we are a war!
Vet SC from Tottori kills the cover capturing 2 slaves incuring 3 damage to redline
Fresh reg SC from Lakeview shuttles over to Tottori as MP
Shimi (reg Bushi) kills 1st reg SC 9 from Seaview incuring 2 hp damage ending on invasion route.
Cagosan (Vet Bushi) makes clean kill of last reg SC 9 from Seaview and is promoted to Grand Master!!
The Daimyo personally makes clean kill of Ashigaru defending Seaview (another appears)
12 HP Bushi Army kills another Ashigaru defending Seaview incuring 2 hp damage (another appears)
Ashigaru from Tottori 3,2 threatening Kasuga (and blocking road)

lots of unit shuffling and workforce adjustments for happiness reasons

Turn is flashing!

Pics and Save to follow.

Humbly submitted
Roadishi

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	25-06-2005 11:24									#23
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the save

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	25-06-2005 11:49									#24
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very well, just as I have planned it
the next daimyo shall have the honour to liberate our cities and probably crush the treacherous Matsunaga.

	25-06-2005 13:59									#25
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Ah, most excellent. This war will go better than the last, for now we are prepared! My congratulations, Daimyo Roadishi.

	26-06-2005 11:29									#26
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this sake is for you Roadishi

	26-06-2005 23:27									#27
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sake to Roadishi

Thoughts:

Obama Heights is going to need cultural expansion improvements quickly, it doesn't even have control of all it's inner ring tiles.

The Matsunguna city pattern is so loose that after we wipe them out we are going to need to infill a few cities there.